They don’t want actual print images to be required because they want to post everything they “design”, even those they don’t believe is good enough just to get some downloads to earn points from the uninitiated users. Bait and switch will only turn newcomers away from this hobby.
If the result isn’t repeatable, then it’s not a good design by any means, and shouldn’t not be shared.
Just came to post this. Hopefully this gets taken care of.
首先，如果我没有被错误的举报，我不会注册并进入这个论坛，但它确实发生了，这不是在扮演受害者而是事实真相，有人利用这些规则进行胡乱的攻击。这不是现有规则的真正目的，所以我提出应该改进它。我也在最开始的发言中说明了现有规则最大的问题是没有很好的通知到所有人，让没有违反规则的创作者获知新的规则，防止这项规则被不怀好意的人利用进行不正当的攻击。这是恶性竞争，是真正的不公平。
其次，一直在争论是你，你不愿听见任何与你不同的声音，哪怕是同样遵守规则的人。当我提出现有方案存在弊端应该找到更好的方案，就被你们标记为了攻击的对象。为什么？有更多可以解决实际问题的方法可以使用，你们却坚持最具有攻击性的，这一定有原因！
现在你又将话题从免费的打印机转移到可怜的灯丝上。这很可笑，我不是一个3D农场主，仅仅作为创作者我有足够的的耗材可以使用，甚至每个月都能免费获取到，真正需要烦恼是如何消耗它们。你在不断回避问题的重点，那么你的真实目的究竟是什么？显然你想保留简单的打击手段去攻击可能会与你争夺点数的作者。早日实现你那免费打印机的梦想。如果是这样，那我建议你把时间更多的花费在自己的创作上而不是在这毫无根据的胡乱攻击。或许你也可以提议让Bambu创建一个捐赠功能，我想会有人愿意帮你实现愿望的，毕竟不是所有人都很看重这些点数。
还有你的留言中出现了黑色方块，我不理解它们的真正含义，那是某种攻击或挑衅的词汇吗？我在试图根据现有问题讨论更确实有效的解决方案，而你却只想着攻击他人，很难让我相信你的真实意图。
最后我确实不想在你这种目的不纯的人身上浪费时间，但是我错了，你正利用这点继续发文掩盖你的真实企图，那就是我改变主意的原因，如果这也能成为你攻击理由，你那你确实是没什么能够去证明的了。或许揭穿某些人的真实意图会让他们很难受吧。
如果你并非我所说的那样，就停止你的攻击行为，试着一起找出更加有效的解决方案。那不意味着对现有规则的全盘否定而是在补充和完善。做到正确的处罚，避免错误的使用。并且这一切应该建立在有效的公示上，让所有人都能获知，那才是真正的公平！
First of all, if I hadn’t been wrongly reported, I wouldn’t have signed up and entered this forum, but it did happen, and it’s not playing the victim but the truth, that someone is taking advantage of these rules to make random attacks. This is not the real purpose of the existing rule, so I propose that it should be improved. I also explained in the beginning of my speech that the biggest problem with the existing rules is that they are not well notified to everyone, so that creators who have not violated the rules are informed of the new rules, and prevent this rule from being used by malicious people to conduct improper attacks. This is a vicious competition and a real injustice.
Second, it is you who is arguing all the time, and you do not want to hear anyone who is different from you, even those who follow the same rules. When I suggest that there are drawbacks to existing solutions and that better solutions should be found, you mark them as targets for attack. Why? There must be a reason why you stick to the most aggressive of all the more practical solutions you can use!
Now you’ve shifted the conversation from the free printer to the poor filament. It’s funny, I’m not a 3D farmer, just as a creator I have enough consumables to work with, even get them for free every month, and really worry about how to consume them. You keep avoiding the point of the question, so what is your real purpose? Obviously you want to keep it simple to attack authors who might compete with you for points. Realize your dream of a free printer soon. If so, then I suggest you spend more time on your own creation and less on baseless attacks. Maybe you can also suggest that Bambu create a donation feature, I think someone will be willing to help you with your wish, after all, not everyone values these points.
And there are black squares in your message, I don’t understand their true meaning, is that some kind of offensive or provocative words? I’m trying to discuss more realistic and effective solutions to existing problems, while you only focus on attacking others. It’s hard to convince me of your true intentions.
Finally, I really don’t want to waste time on someone with an impure purpose like you, but I was wrong, and you are using this to continue to post to cover up your true intentions, which is why I changed my mind, and if this can be your reason for attack, you really have nothing to prove. Maybe revealing someone’s true intentions makes them feel bad.
If you are not who I say you are, stop your aggression and try to find a more effective solution together. That does not mean a total rejection of existing rules but a supplement and improvement. Do the right punishment, avoid the wrong use. And all this should be based on effective publicity, so that everyone can know, that is the true fairness!
这是我认为真正需要解决的问题，有人在利用技术手段不正当的获利，而这不是现有规则能避免的。他甚至不用打印，只需要在网络寻找一个实物图片上传就可以继续存在。
真正该做的可能是加强模型上传的审核，用户可信度的评定，可疑下载量的监测等等。
That’s what I think really needs to be addressed. Some people are using technology to profit improperly, and this is not something that existing rules can prevent. He does not even need to print, only need to find a physical picture on the Internet to upload it can continue to exist.
What should be done is probably to strengthen the review of model uploads, the evaluation of user credibility, the monitoring of suspicious downloads and so on.
The black squares are where they censored me because I said you can post whatever crud you want on Thingiverse. (I used a different word other than crud)
I truly have nothing against you, I just get tired of hearing the same argument over and over from people that want to post renders vs actual prints of models. Also, calling people that post renders “innocent victims” over and over is also a little dramatic. If the worst thing that happens in your life is being denied the ability to post a 3D model you are doing great. If you are good with printing and posting photos then we are on the same page, if you aren’t then I don’t really care what your reasoning is. Makerworld does need to be clear and consistent with their enforcement of the rule though and if they change their mind that’s awesome… I can render things really well in Blender too and we can post a bunch of things that are totally impossible to print and see how effective this platform is in the long run.
My purpose is quite pure though… Renders annoy me to no end and are quite lazy and that is why I feel strongly that we SHOULD print and post a photo of that print. If you feel attacked maybe it’s because deep down you know I’m right but you are doing mental gymnastics to find ways to be hurt by my direct words. I’m actually quite a friendly guy so I’m sorry you feel that way.
所以这应该是误会的原因，我所说的“无辜受害者”指的是那些符合准则却被错误举报的人，而不是那些依靠虚假数据或者不可能实现的渲染模型欺骗获利的人。我同样奇怪为什么我们坚持着同样的准则身处在相同的阵营却在发生矛盾。你只是没有认真去看所以错误的理解了，也可能是我翻译的不当导致的。这也是我为什么会保留原文，我知道这看起来很奇怪，我只是不希望我的意思遭到曲解。
我在说现在的准则没有被有效的传达，应该进行更好的方式制裁“骗子”，避免被错误的使用在符合标准的人身上他们是无辜的。结果变成了为“欺骗者”脱罪的借口。这很荒谬，如果你确实花时间去了解事实就不会产生这样的误解。
顺便一提，我刚刚加入这个论坛很多功能并不了解，为什么想要发送图片却会产生错误？
So this should be the cause of misunderstanding, and by “innocent victims,” I mean people who meet the guidelines but are falsely reported, not people who profit from fraudulent data or impossible rendering models. I also wonder why we hold to the same principles and are on the same side and yet we are at odds. You just didn’t read it carefully, so you misunderstood it, which may also be caused by my improper translation. That’s why I kept the original text, I know it seems strange, I just don’t want my meaning to be misinterpreted.
I am saying that the current guidelines are not being communicated effectively and that there should be better ways to sanction “cheaters” and avoid being wrongly used against people who meet the standards and are innocent. It turned out to be an excuse to exonerate the “cheater.” This is ridiculous, and if you actually take the time to understand the facts, this misunderstanding will not occur.
By the way, I just joined this forum a lot of functions do not understand, why want to send pictures but there will be an error?
People that argue a render is an adequate representation are either naive or dishonest.
I’ve been doing 3d modeling and rendering for more than half my life now. It is so incredibly easy to mis-represent things in a render. I see it all the time on makerworld here, on those catalogs of people that just post rendered images to represent their work.
It annoys me like the character ones that show some full color design, but the actual model is just a single color. How is that fairly representing the print you’re going to get? It’s not; it’s cheap and misleading.
In general I find it disrespectful to the end users that download the models, to not have test printed the model one’s self, or worked with someone to help test the print. Like people expect others to download their work and spend the time and money to print it, but they don’t give that same curtesy. It’s like, if you can’t be bothered to test it yourself, why should I?
It makes me think a lot too about the amount of prototypes I’ve gone through working to tweak little things, placements, how things function. The things that don’t hit you until you have a physical model in your hands where you can see the issues in a very real and practical manner.
They are getting pretty creative with the renders no too. Like all the bunny statues that are trending, all of those have fake layer lines added. Guess it’s worth going to any length to ensure that they don’t have to print anything with their 3D printer. LOL
I have a few examples posted earlier under this thread, I will show it again to demonstrate your points. I for one really against render without real prints. They can render all they want, but the front page of the model should be the printed object.
After all cats are cats…
Rendered cat
Rendering is easier than printing, that’s for sure. No filament cost, no waiting time, no failure prints, and most importantly eyes pleasing.
hahaha, that freakin’ cat. Yeah, you know exactly what I’m talking about.
I don’t mind Collecticraft though. He hit the scene with renders, but he also very much listened to what others were saying. He’s been trying to keep his style/branding, but has also been including a lot more photos of the printed models.
And he also added layer lines to his renders. Plus, he has some interesting mash ups of existing meshes.
The problem is, Collecticraft is too good at what he does. Sometimes, you (or at least me) can hardly tell the renders from the printed. One can easily Photoshop (or any image manipulation) a rendered image on a print bed photo as background. Just saying, not that I am accusing him. But, the point still to have a photo of the actual printed object as front page. Because that is how you can tell if it’s worthwhile to click into the model page.
This one is extremly lazy 
Henk_3743 | Published - MakerWorld
This one is nice too…
ZygDy | Published - MakerWorld
讽刺的是那些离谱的案例并没有得到有效的整治，这也是为什么我说应该改变和优化现有行动的原因。至少在在正确打击违规者之前，不能错误的处罚合规者（我希望这点有被很好的传达而不是产生误会）。他们确实就是这场行动的受害者应该被补偿。
同时我想说的是，我不反对渲染的使用，它有其存在的价值，只要被合理的应用，而不是作为一个陷阱去欺骗用户完成一个不可能实现的作品，这是我始终坚持的。但如果有人借机打击一切渲染的使用的话很抱歉我不会认同也不想再为此开展无意义的争吵。
最后我想知道这个论坛所产生的作用，是收集用户提出问题和意见并进行改进的平台还是仅仅用来给用户抱怨的空间。如果是后者那我觉得我是在浪费时间，因为我没有看到官方作出更有效的行动甚至没有对此给出一些反馈。
The irony is that these outrageous cases have not been effectively remedied, which is why I say existing actions should be changed and improved. At least don’t wrongly punish the eligible before correctly cracking down on the violators (I hope this is well communicated and not misunderstood). They are indeed the victims of this operation and should be compensated.
At the same time, I would like to say that I am not opposed to the use of rendering, it has its value, as long as it is properly applied, and not as a trap to deceive the user to complete an impossible work, which I always insist on. But if anyone is using this as an opportunity to crack down on the use of all things rendering I’m sorry I don’t agree with it and I don’t want to get into a pointless fight about it.
Finally, I would like to know whether this forum is a platform to collect users’ questions and comments and make improvements or just a space for users to complain. If it’s the latter, I think I’m wasting my time because I don’t see more effective official action or even some feedback on it.
It’s a place of community for us to help each other, and to engage in various conversations. Some more useful than others, some more heated than others. The Makerworld and Bambu staff don’t usually get directly involved, but they do tend to listen and make changes based on how the community feels. I feel like they’ve made a number of changes based on things I’ve seen people have lengthy discussions about here.
I think the reason for your quarrel is very simple: there are differences of opinion about the identity of makerworld.
Question: What kind of website do you think makerworld is?
①Model sharing website. ②bambu printer resource website
①—Just like other model websites, you can share it as long as it is a 3D model. There aren’t many restrictions. Even models that cannot be printed by FDM printers, or models whose scale has not been changed to millimeters (a 1.8-meter behemoth appears in the slicing software!) can be uploaded at will. Many users even download models not for printing, but for further animation or other purposes.
②—The website focuses on serving users who have purchased bambu printers and creating an ecosystem of customers. Ensure that novices in 3D printing can also get a sense of accomplishment from it. That is to say, the purpose of each model is to print real objects, and to ensure that users can print them normally after simple operations.
So do you think it’s ① or ② now? Do you want makerworld to become ① or ②?
I don’t think Makerworld itself has a clear positioning – model sharing is unlimited, and you don’t need to own a printer to share models at will. But it will rely on “Print Profile” to lower the threshold for use. Many conflicts arise from this.
好吧，这点确实被忽视了，我一直以为Bambu是一个3d打印模型的分享平台这一点大家都很明确，毕竟这就是我们来这的原因。
Well, that was overlooked, I always thought it was clear that Bambu was a platform for sharing 3d printed models, after all, that’s why we’re here.
Makerworld is focused towards Bambu printers and their users though. It’s not just another repository dump like thingiverse.
Like there’s a lot of users that don’t have a computer. They just have their phone and the printer. They don’t have the means to jump through hopes setting everything up. What they’ve got is the print profile system. There’s nothing wrong with that either. I think it’s an amazing thing when we can ditch the computer and just make this happen so easily through just the phone. I do it all the time… because I can!
Makerworld should be thought of more like a department store. The items that are wanted, that do best, that fit within the realm of what this platform is trying to achieve for it’s users, is full complete items. As aoaobear said!
Again, makerworld isn’t just another model dump. It’s an important piece of the ecosystem that Bambu is creating, and it’s purpose is to help serve that ecosystem. The whole point and main feature of makerworld is the Print Profile system, which is built to easily serve printable content from the site direct to someone’s printer!
I can’t set things up on printables, thingiverse, cults, the way I can on here. I can’t fully package my models the way I can on here. Makerworld may have have fallen from the printables tree, but they are not the same. That print profile and tie in with the printers, with the app, with the ecosystem, is what defines Makerworld.
To that end, to treat it as another model dump completely misses the point of what they’re building with that site.
This last thought about ‘what is the purpose of Makerworld’ is quite interesting. But only Makerworld can answer that. If it was just for Bambu machine owners, then the registration process for an account should include a certified Bambu serial number.
My situation is a bit complicated. I came to Makerworld because my followers on other download sites kept telling me about my models being posted here. These makers were calling them ‘remixes’ were there was no remixing going on, other than simply creating print profiles of my work found on other sites. Bambu even highlighed a few of my models that was posted here in their store with credit given to the maker who posted the print profile and not to me.
The only solution was for me to create an account here and import all my models.
I’ve found an avid maker on Makerworld who is creating as many print profiles as he has time for (including printing and posting a real make of his work) and adding them to my models (which already have pictures of printed models)
I now have a Bambu on order so I can help others on this site as well.
There are more sides to this discussion than it may seem.
Great discussion on the topic.
Teamwork,
Steve
I’d say that the website is focused towards Bambu users and their printers, but it’s not exclusively so. I doubt Makerworld wants to gatekeep like that either. The reality is that it’s not a black and white issue, and there’s a lot of things that fall into gray areas, and your case is one of those. I’ve seen other designers approach the platform for the same reasons.
I’d say though that part of why people want these designers to come to the platform is because they want your work to be easily accessible in the platform, where us Bambu users can take advantage of the platform specific features that are offered, like the print profile system!
There should be room to allow non-bambu users to engage the platform in different capacities. Another example which I’d favor is like a young designer that may not have money for a printer, but has access to a computer and cad. That person could team up with some people from the community to validate their designs and make print profiles. That’d be awesome!
Lastly, I’ll note. I post most of my stuff here to Makerworld, but it does get lost a little bit since Makerworld is more focused towards Bambu printers. A lot of what I create can be printed on any ol’ machine, so it does get a little lost being on a Bambu focused site, as opposed to one of the other sites which are wildly used by anyone regardless of who manufactured their printer.
