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Bambu Lab X1 Series General discussions
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Do you even know what you are talking about? All FDM filaments would include very high temperature materials like PEEK. Whilst it would be possible to get the bed and nozzle hot enough, it likely wouldn’t be possible to print those materials because of their other requirements, like for heated chambers over 100 C.

I would be extremely surprised if you get a PEEK capable printer for $700. A 1 kg spool of PEEK is around that on its own.

A bit more bed and nozzle temp and a heated chamber would be nice but expecting a printer capable of all FDM filaments for $700 is just crazy.

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It already is pretty easy to print those filaments, I have printed pieces in all three with no issues.

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Yes, and that hahahahahah

(^^extra long haha because of the 25 character minimum lol)

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Why would it be crazy to expect a lower priced FDM printer? After all, technological advancements and cheaper manufacturing processes could very well lower the final price. It has happened before with plenty of other products, so why not for 3d printers?

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Clearly I don’t so why don’t you bless us with all of your knowledge if you care to lower yourself to address us idiots. :roll_eyes:

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Please include a multiple heads option!!!

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I have seen your comments on here quite a few times, most of the time you are just complaining or wrong.

Your desire or expectation of a $700 printer that can print all FDM filaments is totally unrealistic at this point. There is a reason that high temp materials like PEAK still need very expensive printers. It isn’t just as simple as increasing the nozzle and bed temp and sticking a chamber heater in it.

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You are missing a major point here, the comment was about a $700 printer that could print all FDM materials and that includes high temperature materials that are difficult to print like PEAK.

There are a lot of other things that need taken into account when working with the temperatures needed for high temp 3D printing. For PEAK it is a 400+ C nozzle, up to 200 C bed and over 100 C chamber with hotter being better. You can’t just stick a hotter bed and nozzle and stick a chamber heater in a normal printer and expect it to work fine. High temperature make things complicated.

So when $700 is still on the cheap side of high end consumer printers that aren’t made for high temperatures then expecting a $700 printer that can print all FDM materials is crazy.

That is ignoring the fact that the high temp materials like PEAK can be over $700 per kg so if you can afford or justify using PEAK you can likely justify a printer worth more than $700.

$700 for a printer that can print most materials up to nylon and PC however isn’t unrealistic.

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Yeah… they said a $200 laptop and $100 desktop printer were crazy too… and let’s not forget the sub-$1,000 FDM printer. “Couldn’t be done,” they said. But I look forward to the printer you bring to the market with your company, since with all your industry expertise, you should have no trouble schooling the competition. :wink:

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I don’t feel like the 200 laptop is a good example. It’s like saying you said I couldn’t break my foot, but here we are! :rofl:

I’m just joshing though. I do agree, that it’s not crazy, it just takes time. There’s a lot of affordable products these days that were back breakingly expensive back then.

I mean shoots and ladders, pre Bambu, the thought of a sub 1k CoreXY with a decent size didn’t seem realistic. Companies like Ultimaker, it just felt like their machines were getting more and more expensive. I remember feeling the frustration as their new lines came out, and it’s just like uggh, the prices are going up! WTF!

Now we’ve got the P1P and P1S and yeah.

I suspect the next Bambu will be a pricy beast though.

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I think both of these are correct.

If the phrasing was tweaked.

A BL flagship printer that will move the X series down a level is unlikely going to be around $700.

A different company without the BL badge could bring a $700 high-end printer to market as they have to gain market share.

BL has market share and a semi-captive marketplace with their ecosystem.

BL is trying to be the Apple of 3D printers.

Just my opinion, do not shoot me.

@Olias Olias is correct because prices can and will fall, just look at the A1 mini as an example, a very powerful printer at an inexpensive price. You can almost buy two for the cost of one AMS. This is the loss leader to get the newbies in the door to then upgrade. But, BL has a profit margin and premium brand model to maintain, and a point system to fund.

@conor.stewart18 is correct if the logic is for BL, there are lots of smaller companies pushing great printers at the lower end. Something BL triggered in the marketplace along with the original AnkerMate.

BL needs to keep a high-end printer available to differentiate its place in the market and those profits.

$200 laptops are very limited, $100 desktops less so. But a $150 desktop is as powerful as a three-year-old average PC, they jumped in power and shrank in price.

If my belief is correct, and BL see themselves as more Apple than Dell, then Apple has nothing that is really useful sub $1000 in laptops or desktops. As a Mac user, I know the entry-level prices they show are not real machines for anything other than email and web.

I am stopping here as I just realised this quick comment went mental.

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I wouldnt expect it to print peek unless its over $5,000 and the size of a refrigerator. 100c is hot and it would require alot of insulation. Printing pei would be nice, but the plus 4 does that at $800. Bambu will have to be ok with lower profit margins to even compete anymore. Already. That fast. They need original ideas that are patented by them.

@conor.stewart18 careful. Rock the boat and youll become the enemy. All boats need rocked, but this one has pontoons

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I don’t think i missed anything. As I’ve mentioned before, things that in the past (like 10-15 years ago) were prohibitive to average consumer due to high prices, are now easily available at a fraction of the previous price. This was possible due to continuous innovation and technological advancements, increased and improved supply chain, mass industrial production, wider distribution through low cost shipments.
The mere fact that BL could afford to launch a printer offering similar, if not identical, features to those provided by Stratasys’ industrial printers, yet at a fraction of the prices charged by Stratasys (which lead to BL heavily disrupting Stratasys market share and revenues, a fact that ultimately forced Stratasys to go after BL), does support my point. And though X1C is viewed and sold as a “premium” printer (quite expensive for the average individual) it is offered at a much lower price than Stratasys printers. Furthermore, competitors have been challenged by BL to step up and compete with BL printers by providing consumers more desired features and additional tech perks, at a lower price than BL, in order to stay on the market.
Qidi Plus 4 is currently offering additional features on top of what X1C offers (compare their specs against those for X1C), at a price lower than 1000 euros/dollars. And this trend will only continue and ultimately it will benefit the end consumer while driving the competition up for better and improved machines at a lower cost than the competitors.
I rest my case.

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I believe the new printer as positioned above X1C won’t be cheaper than 1500$.
Hopefully all tested in A1 series changes will be improved like nozzle change to be easier comparing to pre A1 models.
Also additional heating in chamber would be great.
Speed for sure will be improved as it is almost directly mentioned in tweet and this is marketing important feature.
Still expect coreXY and hopefully improved AMS would be great with heater built in maybe ??
Nozzle should have higher temperature but I do t believe they will reach 400C - who knows :wink:
I think they use A1 series to test some of changes coming later in higher models and this printer potential start slow upgrade of whole offer before A1.

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sold mine a month ago to get the most back from it…
really happy :smiley:
im waiting patiently for the new model now…
i have 10 coupons waiting to be used for the new model :smiley:

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Good 4 u, mate. Hope it pays off for your wait, though considering what little info BL has allowed to circulate on their next printer, I doubt the 10 coupons + amount you’ve paid for the X1C will be enough.

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lol, all that for less than $700? I guess you’re buying Qidi then?

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I’ll be waiting for Qidi to launch their Qidi Box (their AMS version), apparently planned for sometime in Q1 or Q2 next year and that will also allow for Qidi to tackle any tech and software issues that very likely will be raised by its users in the meantime…It will also give me the opportunity to assess other users reviews and tests, that will most likely have a significant impact on my final decision on whether or not to buy it. It will also allow for more time for any other competitors out there (BL included) to eventually launch their “countermeasures” (if any at all) against BL and Qidi new printers. Should it be the case, would very much render my decision making much more appealing and challenging, but nevertheless much more enjoyable. Qidi Plus 4 for now has a foot ahead the rest of the pack, and by offering a heated chamber, a larger print bed and possibility for printing materials that X1C appears to have troubles dealing with, at only $/€ 799 (without the AMS), is indeed a very appealing machine.
But, as already stated, I’ll be waiting for the full combo release before deciding anything… (after all, I’ve invested quite a bit of money in my X1C and especially in spare parts for it)…

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lol, you’re buying a 3D printer not a space shuttle :joy: imo active support takes you far further than abilities you may or may not use. If you’re planning to use special filament then sure, features matter, if it’s mainly PLA or PETG then it’s really not necessary. What’s pushing g you to purchase something better than the X1C?

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Simply put? I want the best there is on the market for the money I pay. I trust that you’d want the same for the money you pay for it.
And, whether or not I’m going to use some of the existing features is irrelevant and besides the point.

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