i sold my p1s because i dont use it so often… makes no sense to wait till the new one comes out and the prices drop even more LOL
i got 90% of what i paid for it i cant complain, a p1s isnt as much as a x1c in the first place…i also dont think it will cost alot more than a x1c…
I’ll let you in on an open secret. Here’s one of the basic tenets we train our salespeople to look for, and it applies whether you’re selling shoes or electron microscopes: the only constant is human psychology, and a trained salesperson can spot and exploit it.
“People don’t buy using logic; they buy based on emotion and then justify their emotions with logic, whether real or flawed.”
So, the next time you enter a buyer situation, there—you now know one of our closely held open-secrets. 
I’m dealing with sales people everyday at the office…more than I care to deal with… but every one of the deals and commercial agreements has to go through my review and validation, so, yeah, I’m quite familiar with their…“sales techniques and methodologies”.
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Think again. Acording to BL own public disclosure , their new (second gen) flagship printer will be released sometime during Q1 2025, and its price will be sensibly higher than for an X1C and/or X1E. Read for yourself (see screenshot below)
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The more I read and think about it, the more I think they probably just trashed something that looked alot like a Plus 4 for $5,000 and went back to the drawing board. based on how long ago testers received them and how far out theyve pushed the release. They are probably working on something to compete with Prusas prosumer side now that starts at $10,000 and hoping the gen 1’s will keep selling for another year. I have only heard about a single top tier printer so far.
I think people on the fence are going to be extremely disapointed.
Im thinking Tesla roadster 2. Wait while others catch up.
Prosumers is an interesting phrase , id be looking for something similar to the prusa xl to top the xe , (open source is apparently available) multi tool + ams
sounds extremley attractive proposition, if they can / have bettered those designs for a more typical bambu experience
yeah i hope this is something to overtake the XL that bambu is building, if it’s however to cover the Prusa Pro HT90, then it’s a different story as they would have to put a real price tag on it, it would need to be multiples of what the X1C costs…
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Cost and established competion for those type of printers is well out of a *typical con/prosumer market range (my opinion) and very limited in what they can do , ( reviews) so i guess it will lie in bambus interpretation of prosumer
DIY prosumers, self-service prosumers, customizing prosumers, collaborative prosumers, monetised prosumers, and economic, at the end of the day and you could well be right
Well Olias, your are 100% right - Every purchase is purely based on emotions. But, the most emotions are always based on the last purchase. If you don’t keep the customer happy throughout the entire life cycle until the new product is released… I don’t know how well they did that, but fortunately I don’t have to know it.
Even though I’ve posted it before:
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Pushing the release back 6 months does nothing to see where the lawsuit ends up. That will be in court for years and wouldn’t have any effect on a delay.
So I think you’re both right to an extent. The printer that prints everything as described would be the latest tech and would command a premium Price, in excess of the current X1C, not a $700 price tag.
But eventually the costs would be driven down as the investment in development is paid back and the technology becomes dated. One day the X1C will be a $500 printer, just not today and not likely any printer that leads the pack.
The Qidi , and others that are approaching the level of Bambu Labs, have very little invested in development. They reacted to the success of BL and copied what they’ve done so they can build and sell printers for less. But they will have to wait until the next greatest printer is released to copy that, and until then the next flagship will command the market and the price.
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A loyalty discount for existing BBL customers would be nice.
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I don’t know about the rest of the world but the term prosumer in Europe is used a lot, even if in each country it has a different name, it means something more than the standard that is close to professional, but not enough to be so. I’ll give you a practical example to understand better, if I go to Audi and I like the A6 model I spend 80,000 euros and this is the standard model. But if I want something more, something that makes me feel the spirit of sporty driving that has power and at the same time allows me to go on vacation with the family, there is the RS6 model. The price? Obviously it doesn’t cost like the A6, it costs almost like an R8, (even if to tell the truth with accessories we are there), but I have performance combined with daily use without the constraints of an uncomfortable sports car. This is prosumer!
About 15 years ago, I ran into the term “Prosumer” daily when one of our products started gaining acceptance in the world of Professional AV. Eventually, I got the nerve to ask someone what exactly we meant by “Prosumer.” I think that definition is most applicable to a home 3D printer, especially if Bambu is insisting on using the term without butchering its meaning—definitely a challenge for non-native English speakers. Misusing slang becomes glaringly obvious when the person doesn’t speak English fluently. In the US, Prosumer Electronics generally refers to products with the features and quality of professional-grade equipment, like in Pro-AV, what a commercial recording studio would use, but with the creature comforts and ease of use that consumers demand.
Since you mentioned Audi, I’ll use an example from the eighties when Porsche was marketed in the US. My German family was shocked when they visited and saw Porsches here often equipped with automatic transmissions. Europeans, and with good reason, look down on that. 
That analogy works for what I mean. It’s a high-end sports car, but the performance is ruined by the automatic transmission. Seriously, no self-respecting sports car driver would use anything but a stick shift—it’s just not manly. 
Before anyone has a heart attack about my criticism of non-native English speakers butchering terminology, here’s an example of what I am referring to. In case someone doesn’t get the joke, it’s supposed to say:
This ink is compliant with the European Union RoHS directive.
Yeah. It’s pro level equipment tailed more for the consumer market. It blurs the line and can be used by both camps.
I like to also mildly think of it as a marketing ploy to make consumers feel like they’re pros, or whatever. I’m not just a consumer Karen! It says pro on the box… I’m a pro 
Could one call the X1 a prosumer printer? I think I would. It’s got all the bells and whistles and polish. I would consider the P1 series to be more of the actual “pro” printer, in that it doesn’t fluff about. It just gets straight to the point of being a 3d printer. It might be considered a budget version of the X1, but in a farm environment, I think the P1 would be the more desirable choice.
I’m speculating. Don’t take anything I say too serious.
Give me a few more years and a bad enough diet, and you can’t stop me!
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which in the end prosumer is the union of the terms producer + consumer.
The figure of the prosumer can be summarized in the definition of “producers and at the same time consumers (producer + consumer)”. The term was proposed for the first time by the American sociologist Alvin Toffler in his essay “The Third Wave” (Sperling & Kupfer) in 1980. In reality this term had already been taken into consideration in the previous decade, when the author already spoke of a possible fusion between the roles of producer and consumer. Rereading the comments and especially the discussion on artificial intelligence I thought the following. And what if with prosumer they did not mean a market segment but rather the true meaning of the term, i.e. producer + consumer? But how could there be a direct exchange on a final product?
Artificial intelligence could come into play here, so in reality it would not be producer + consumer, but produccer + ai? how well I don’t know but there are many hypotheses… it could be the product that having the ai, the latter helps to solve the problems that arise from time to time and different from each other, learning and proposing solutions, or studying different ways on various options such as supports, inclinations etc…
maybe I’m going too far with my imagination, or, prosumer is just something like that!
While that may be what Alvin Toffler said, it’s definitely NOT the origin of the word as it’s used in the US marketing sphere today. The word is a portmanteau of “professional” and “consumer”—at least that’s how it’s being used in marketing parlance by the big consumer electronics giants at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) each year, which is Bambu’s target market.
maybe I explained myself badly because of the language. I understand what you mean and as I did before with the example of Audi I also interpreted it as you said. But precisely because it is expected to be interpreted in this way and now the marketing giants play on words, if the term prosumer is the union of the terms producer + consumer (as invented), my last hypothesis could be realistic and therefore not concern the range of users and prices but a different product in this sense
I agree, Josh. I think of the current X1 as a prosumer printer with all the quality of life and comfort features it has. I wouldn’t consider a single P1 to be professional, but make that multiple in a print farm, now you are talking professional.
(Here in the U.S.) I agree with how Olias defined the slang word “prosumer”. That is how I have always viewed it here. But wouldn’t all 3D printers meet the E.U. definition of consuming and producing? That is what a 3D printer does. (Serious question, I am not trying to troll anyone, just trying to understand better; I did not get the car analogy.)
A multihead printer would be a nice addition. Even when it’s only 2 heads.
This will still reduce the waste drastically and lowering printing time.
There will be hardly no waste when printing dual color or support. And when printing with AMS through a double tool head, one printhead could already change filament/color when the other is printing.
Although it will be hard to mix all 4 slots over 2 extruders.
2 slots per extruder would possible though…
At least it could save a lot of printing time.
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