Bamb Lab will launch a flagship in Q1, 2025

That would be really cool! And I would love it. But I think they have something completely new that no one else has considered (possibly) based on their comments.

I cannot wait to see! I surely do hope it is worth this wait.

We will see…
Just returned my 2nd P1S, while both of them had problems.
Got my money back this time, so I think it’s better to wait some while now. I was even thinking just buying the A1-mini in the meanwhile, just to hobby a bit.

But I’m not only curious what they will bring to the table, but also the cost of it.

And otherwise hoping the X1’s will drop in it’s price after the introduction of a new “flagship”. Just getting a X1 instead of a P1S then.
Time will learn.

Most likely the X1E carbon they wont sell you. You have to go to an outside source to get it. They should be selling them through there own stores also.

this sounds like its going to expensive

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As long the new printer has no Stratasys label on it. It is clear that the have to launch the top tier product first. Later they will launch other models to fill the gap. Better than Creality to have a new model released every 9 months and never get anything finished. I think the announcement was needless. Buyers will wait. Anyway if somebody likes to print multicolor there are not that many alternatives , Creality K2 is also delayed … maybe due to Bambu Labs delayed release.

I’m really just hoping for a multi-head setup so I can dedicate one head for material and another for support.

If you’re printing more expensive filaments, like PPS, it’s easy to justify a more expensive printer that can guarantee a successful print and not waste that $100/kg filament.

I hope it uses linear motors. It seems as though Peopoly may have run into problems with theirs, but with the huge $650 Million Bambu war chest, Bambu has the resources to solve a lot of engineering problems that might defeat other companies.

I think for sure it’s going to offer a bigger print volume. The announcement of a chamber heater is consistent with that. And it’s what people have been asking for more than anything else.

I’m thinking that they moved out the announcement to next year as they were blind sided by the patent ■■■■, so the new machine will have features designed to mitigate patent challenges.
I reckon it will have induction rails to run the head, and there will be some sort of multi filament extrusion in the head that negates the need for ‘tool changer’ arrangements.
I reckon they will explore ‘production run’ technologies as many of their machines have appeared in printer farms.

I reckon that they will install multiple cams inside the printer, and compile the output of those cams into something like a gaussian splatting 3d, model so that not only will you get a continuous feedback on the production of your model, it will be in 3d so you can spin about the print and inspect if from any angle while it is printing. If they use a glass bed, you’ll be able to see the underside too :slight_smile:

the interface for this captured feedback will be an additional tab in the slicer, so that the compiled 3d image of the model being printed will be accessible with the same tools in slicer such as pan/zoom/rotate, and will appear in the same space as the other tool views of ‘prepare’ and ‘preview’.

No glass bed. That was terrible back in the day, and current build plate are infinitely better

I hope they solve the VFA problems on the actual line of products. At the end I do not care which technology they would use as long it works. And for multicolor to stop wasting that huge amounts of material - even they would retire actual line of AMS. I expect some smart moves to get ahead of the competition (for that price range). Camera could also be a cheap fix to have at least at least a smooth video stream (25 frames).

Or just work on upgrades for existing printer.
I would love a better camera, hotter bed, x1c’s lidar. For context I have p1s

Your examples are pretty rubbish. Is that $200 laptop top of the line? Is that $100 printer top of the line? No they are very far from it. Yet you are on about a top of the line printer that can print all FDM materials for $700. They aren’t comparable. The fact that someone made a low end product as cheap as possible doesn’t mean that high end products will get cheaper too. Just look at higher end laptop pricing.

A $700 printer that can print any FDM materials may happen one day but that won’t be very soon.

I don’t think the delay is to re-engineer away from any patent infringement. If they did that, they’d practically be admitting they were guilty to begin with. I’m pretty sure Stratysis does this all the time and they haven’t been very successful previously. They have a lot of general patents that haven’t stood up in court and I suspect that BL doesn’t believe they infringed on anything. So, avoiding the tech that is in the suit would be like confirming they were in the wrong and are minimizing the damages.

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I’ve participated in ‘patent breaking sessions’ in the past and though I feel that patents tend to favour anyone who has the dosh to pay for the patent granting process, patents can also be useful for driving innovation.

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So here is my next theory…
Bambu’s next machine will take 3d printer ‘as a manufacturing unit’ to the next level.
Currently the whole world seems to be backing away from a ‘global market’, and everyone want’s to slow imports and increase local manufacturing.
So Bambu will take it’s networking distribution to the next level and hyper charge ‘print farms’.
They might even establish their own ‘farms’ where the user can design and prototype their objects on their home printer, then push it out onto the web, where bambu printers all over the world will print for that local market, and local post/couriers will deliver within that local market.
These sorts of services are already appearing and Bambu is well place to capitalise on ‘3d printing as a service’.
Bambu could run franchises (yes just like MacDonald’s) all over the world where locals establish print farms to service their areas.

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Provided they won’t lose the 2 Stratasys patent infringement lawsuits they have to deal with and the court won’t issue an injunction against BL… then, perhaps, and only if their customer support and their choices for the appointed carriers improves dramatically, a franchise might work out… However, I doubt it.

Would be sweet if bambu made an affordable metal printer next but I imagine the patents on that tech is pretty locked down. Would love to have some conductive materials printed and not have to pay an arm an a leg to have a 3rd parties use the industrial printers to make them.

Its been my experience that the Qudi tech printers are just shy of reaching the level of reliable use the bambu labs printers offer. Of course its been a while since ive had hands on the Qudi printer. I wanted to like it, I really did. Larger build volume, enclosed heated chamber, and supposedly fast reliable prints. It was just lacking compared to the fleet of bambu labs printers. I ultimately gave up messing with the Qudi and K1 printers and just built a rat rig 500. Which i still have issue with but it works far better then the K1, and print quality is on par with the bambu printers… mostly.

All Ive been wanting bambu to do, for a while now, is release a larger printer on par with what they already have released. I get why they went the A1 route and from a business perspective it made a lot of sense for them to do it. But after having an A1 next to multiple pis and x1c machines it lasted all of a few months and on to the next home it went to be replaced by another p1s with AMS.

And on to the AMS, I really hope they figure something out to increase filament swaps (and the atrocious poop shoot jamming up) weather its IDEX alternating toolheads, or something. While I dont do a lot of multi color printing the stuff i do is painfully long. On most multi color prints its far faster to go into cad and separate out the parts and print them in their respective colors, or figure out a way to do manual swaps at a layer height then it is to use the multi color feature. But I have the skills to do that where a lot of people dont. Basically id like to do more multi color prints but from my experience it dramatically increases the chance of failure due to the nature of things going sideways like the poopshoot filling up and the nozzle layer shifting or the enormous amount of wasted filament.

As far as the new bambu printer meeting Qudi printer price points, the x1 already costs more, why would a NEW printer from bambu labs cost less? Sure Id like to save a buck just like the next guy but I also want printers that work, work well and are reliable workhorses. But again Im in a different position then most people.

im patiently wating to see what this new printer actuall is and what it does. I already got tired of waiting on bambu while companies like creality ad Qudi made attempts at larger core xy printers and I was sorely disappointed. But I already bought as large a printer that is mostly reliable as i could while waiting on them to get out of their own way and work on something bigger. At this point Im expecting a printer that might be the size of the K1 max with features that, while great for high temp filament users is overpowered, and as a result overpriced, for simple ABS/ASA and lower users. it may be the case that i just wait for the dumbed down version ala the P series now which suit most of my needs with added chamber heating.