There’s no room for interpretation here. The uploader of the print profile is irrelevant. The system operates on a model-specific basis, not dependent on individual print profiles.
I agree, this is what is literally written. But something bothers me in the logic of that statement.
Because that doesn’t match how the prints are counted per model. The model prints count is the sum of individual print profile prints count.
So if you only count 1 print per user per model and not per print profile that will most probably give an unfair advantage to the first print profile uploaded.
I think you have proven to yourself that you have not recognized the actual problem.
because it seems to be the case that since the latest models can be downloaded, and in case of doubt the designer does not recognize any downloads on his site, and without visible downloads no points.
i don’t even want to go into the rest of your comments.
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Oh, there’s no need for that.
I know what you care about, keep going and maybe you’ll get what you want in the end!
You may be a professional designer, but I’m not, so I don’t need points to prove my success, and I don’t get frustrated by it!
If you really think that MW’s rules are cheating everyone and that downloads are not proportional to points, then I look forward to you suggesting better rules for MW so that you and everyone else can benefit!
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Can’t they just include the captcha to hang up bots but still allow downloads to be counted after 5? Put the captcha in for every 5th download or something.
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ok, just checked and would like others to verify. I downloaded 8 items with delays between them. No captcha given but only the first 5 were counted. The 6-8 ones did not increase the download count even without the captcha being seen and with 10-15 minutes between downloads. Looks like visitors first 5 downloads are counted and then after that it is not. Going to see when it counts again, but others please test.
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First of all, i want to say that i am by no means a professional designer myself, what i do here is just a hobby. secondly, you still don’t seem to really know what is important to me, you just think you do. because of course the downloads are proportional to the points. just as it says in the rules. for the first ten downloads you get 30 points etc. that is what everyone can read in the rules themselves on makerworld.
from any other website that I can think of off the top of my head, let’s just take printabeles, it is the case that if I download a model from designer 1, the next moment the designer can see that his model has been downloaded. i do the same with four more and four more designers can then see that another one of their models has been downloaded. the same would be the case with another ten downloads from me with another ten different designers and correspondingly different models.
But this is no longer the case with makerworld, from the sixth download onwards, as someone has described and probably proven above. this means that what each designer is presented with as a number or figure for each of his models could in fact just as well be diced numbers, because many downloads and prints are no longer recorded, which means that complete statistics are diluted and the associated analysis can now actually be ignored. because if only diced data is evaluated, then an analysis of it does not reflect anything useful, let alone reality.
Your last sentence made me smile the most again. As I’ve already written, designing is one of my hobbies, I do something completely different, but what you’re asking me to do now is the biggest joke, which you don’t seem to have really understood yourself. To be honest, I don’t even know the exact job title or what you need to have learned? Web design, programming, IT…
i really don’t know. but you are now asking me or anyone else to present a solution for makerworld? how could i? i don’t even know how to build a website, let alone how to program bots or counteract them, so how could i, especially since i don’t even know all the details of the problem, even come up with a solution that i could suggest to makerworld? it’s pretty much the stupidest thing i’ve ever heard. it also often reminds me of people in my immediate environment who often tell me about their problems at work. where it then turns out in a more intensive conversation that they are basically not their problems at all, but actually the problems of their boss, who should basically be worried about it and instead only puts himself in an expectation, puts himself under pressure and thus quickly makes it his problem.
To summarize, this is a problem that makerworld has to take care of and nobody else is obliged to do so, especially if they don’t even have a clue about the subject. in addition to all this, I think there are a lot of capable and intelligent people at makerworld and bambulab working on this problem. I just want to point out that what makerworld has been doing for a short time, consciously or unknowingly because possibly all the effects have not been considered, is now a moot point (I would just like to know that from makerworld) in any case cannot be the solution to the problem if at least as serious a new problem has arisen as a result. because if a download is no longer even a download but zero download, then perhaps we should define the word download again. I could then also come up with suggestions for solutions. because I’m pretty good at defining things… 
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Da ich selbst die Rückübersetzung in meine Sprache für relativ Mangelhaft halte - hier nochmal in Deutsch:
Als allererstes will ich dazu sagen, dass ich selbst keines Wegs ein professioneller Designer bin, das, was ich hier mache, ist lediglich Hobby. Zum anderen wissen sie scheinbar immer noch nicht wirklich was mir wichtig ist, sie glauben es lediglich zu wissen. Denn selbstverständlich sind die Downloads proportional zu den Punkten. So wie es auch in den Regeln steht. Für die ersten zehn Downloads bekommst du 30 punkte usw. das ist ja das, was alle auf Makerworld in den Regeln, selbst nachlesen können.
Von jeder anderen Website, die mir so spontan einfällt, nehmen wir einfach Printabeles, ist es jedoch so, das, wenn ich bei Designer 1 ein Modell herunterlade, ist im nächsten Augenblick für den Designer sichtbar, das sein Modell heruntergeladen wurde. Das mache ich bei vier weiteren und vier weiter Designer können danach wahrnehmen, dass schon wieder eins ihrer Modelle heruntergeladen wurde. Ebenso wäre dies auch bei weiteren zehn Downloads von mir bei weiteren zehn verschiedenen Designern und entsprechend verschieden Modellen.
Genau dies ist bei Makerworld nun aber nicht mehr der Fall, ab dem sechsten Download wie es oben jemand beschrieben und wohl nachgewiesen hat. Das bedeutet, das das was jeder Designer bei jedem seiner Modelle als Ziffer oder Zahl präsentiert bekommt faktisch ebenso gut auch gewürfelte Zahlen sein können, denn viele Downloads und Drucke werden eben jetzt nicht mehr erfasst, womit eine komplette Statistik verwässert ist und die dazugehörige Analyse sich jetzt eigentlich auch geklemmt werden kann. Denn wenn nur gewürfelte Daten ausgewertet werden, dann spiegelt eine Analyse dessen auch nichts Brauchbares erst recht nicht die Realität wider.
Dein letzter Satz hatte mich dann wieder am meisten zum Schmunzeln gebracht. Wie schon geschrieben, Designen ist eins meiner Hobbys, machen tue ich etwas ganz anderes, aber das, was du jetzt von mir verlangst, ist der größte Witz, den du scheinbar nur selbst nicht wirklich verstanden hast. Ich weiß, um ehrlich zu sein noch nicht mal die genaue Berufsbezeichnung bzw. was man gelernt haben muss? Webdesign, Programmierung, IT… Ich weiß es wirklich nicht. Du jedoch verlangst jetzt von mir oder auch jedem anderen, das diese eine Lösung für Makerworld präsentieren? Wie könnte ich denn bitte schön? Ich weiß nicht mal wie eine Website erstellt wird, geschweige wie Bots programmiert oder diesen entgegengewirkt werden kann, also wie könnte ich denn, zumal mir ja nicht mal alle Daten des Problems bekannt sind, auch nur im Geringsten zu einer Lösung kommen, die ich Makerworld vorschlagen könnte? Es ist so ziemlich das Dümmste, was ich je gehört habe. Es erinnert mich auch oft an Menschen in meinem näheren Umfeld, die mir oft über ihre Probleme auf der Arbeit erzählen. Wo sich dann bei einem intensiveren Gespräch herausstellt, dass es im Grunde genommen überhaupt nicht ihre Probleme sind, sondern tatsächlich die Probleme ihres Chefs der sich darüber im Grunde genommen Gedanken machen müsste und er sich selbst stattdessen nur in eine Erwartungshaltung bringt, sich damit selbst unter Druck setzt und es dadurch kurzerhand dies nun zu seinem Problem macht.
Zusammengefasst, das ist ein Problem, um das sich Makerworld kümmern muss und niemand anderen dazu verpflichtet ist, vor allem wenn derjenige nicht mal Ahnung von dem Fachgebiet hat, irgendwelche Lösungswege aufzuzeigen. Zu all dem sei noch gesagt, ich denke bei Makerworld und Bambulab werden eine Menge fähige und intelligente Menschen sitzen, die an diesem Problem arbeiten. Ich möchte nur aufzeigen, das das, was Makerworld seit kurzen gemacht hat, bewusst oder unwissend, weil womöglich alle Auswirkungen nicht bedacht wurden, sei jetzt dahingestellt (das würde ich eben nur gerne von Makerworld wissen wollen) auf jeden Fall nicht die Lösung des Problems sein kann, wenn darauf hin ein mindestens genauso gravierende neues Problem entstanden ist. Denn wenn ein Download nicht mal mehr ein Download, sondern null Download ist, dann sollten wir vielleicht nochmal das Wort download definieren. Da könnte ich dann auch gerne mit Lösungsvorschlägen kommen. Denn in Definieren von Sachen bin ich recht gut…
ok, i downloaded 5 models over 2 hours from Bambu Lab | Published - MakerWorld and now no model downloads count again. try it yourself not hard to test.
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You may have gotten one thing wrong, I said suggestions, not solutions, right?
You say you’re an amateur, I’m an amateur, you post models on this site just like I do, so what happens to you is what happens to me, everyone does the same, not just you, and it’s time to stop saying people don’t know the facts!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion here, you can disagree but there is no need to take it personally against people who don’t agree with you. I didn’t say anything about anyone at all in my first post, I just expressed my thoughts, but you came and replied to my post saying I don’t recognize the facts, so who is the problem?
Rule changes have repercussions, both good and bad, there is no need to be so emotional, it won’t speed up MW’s changes, we’ve reacted, we’ve expressed our opinions, we’re waiting for MW to change the rules again, is that bad?
I just downloaded one model from six different designers I follow. All six downloads counted.
It not just about points.
If dl count is not reflecting real download numbers it makes choosing prints to download harder. A lot of things i print is depending on dl count/print count. because i know if popular its most likely printable…
Like today just because i downed 5 things from one profile non my others get counted. I’m not bot, and was not bot activity or even close. so system is not functioning correctly .
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its when 5 are from same profile.
There are real problems regarding bot accounts and real designers having multiple accounts to cross download and print their own models. They inflate the total points for the site and thus making each point worth less, so it’s a loss for honest designers.
Here is my suggestion on how to deal with it (I made this same suggestion before in another thread):
Only authenticated acccouts are allowed to upload, download, and print models and profiles.
Accounts can be authenticated in one of the following two ways:
- Any accounts that have been used to buy a Bambu Lab printer.
- An account that’s bound to a mobile phone number.
Number 1 will probably take care of most of the real accounts in MW. For the rest, provide an option for them to bind their phone numbers to authenticate.
Do you support this suggestion? Any suggestions to improve it, or a completely different and better approach?
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i agree with the most part but where im from (uk) mobile sim cards are like 99p so still easy to create multiple acc with all dif mobile no. for limited cost
From the same profile? That’s what everyone is freaking out about? Because one profile won’t get credit for more than five downloads from another profile in, what’s the time span, 2 hours? A day? B.F.D.
If that’s what it takes to curb the point chasing scammers, then I 100% support a decision to put a daily cap on profile to profile download recognition. Five sounds good to me.
Yes, I am aware of the scenario where a user comes in and downloads your entire catalog. As someone with over fifty Lucky 13 Toys remixes on Printables, I’m no stranger to seeing the follower count go up by one while your download count jumps by fifty.
I’m OK with not getting 50 downloads from one user in a single day. If others aren’t OK with that, then authentication the way DWdesigns suggests is the way to go.
Any authenticated account will have all of their downloads recorded. So you can download six models from one user and that user will get credit for all six downloads.
EDIT: Forget all this download count business, when is the new contest schedule being posted?
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ad 1. If this is to be a website only for Bambu users, then ok… but firstly, in Bambu Studio you can choose a lot of printers from other manufacturers, and secondly, there are thousands of printing profiles for printers from companies other than Bambu.
ad 2. A Chinese company and authentication by phone number, and what else… house keys or password to the home network… oh, I forgot, they already have access to your network
So in this situation, gettting a phone number isn’t difficult.
Will requiring such accounts be logged in using a one-time code to the phone number be good? i.e. each time the account is logged in, the user will have to type in a unique code sent to that number. Will this add enough burden that it become too much work to keep changing the sim cards?
Having an account bound using a phone number isn’t new anywhere. But they have mostly been used in the context of providing extra security, ie. the account cannot be logged in unless a one-time code sent to the phone number is typed in.
The number 1 in my suggestion should take care of most of the real accounts in MW. Note that I didn’t say all accounts. That’s why there is second option.
How would you go about it? What will work better?
yes it would work but be very awkward (i dont know about other countrys but in the uk sometimes messages are delayed and not instant so would be a hassle for someone just jumping on with say 2 mins to spare just to check his account)
Here in the US, binding a phone number is one way (not the only way) to provide an extra layer of security to accounts that are too important to be guarded by password only. On such accounts, each log-in requires the unique code sent to the phone number to be typed in. Occasionally there will be a delay but one can requre a resend. In my expereince, it’s a mostly smooth process.