Disabling/curating/limiting additional print profiles?

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EDIT: Thanks everyone who explained that A1 mini users can’t print non-mini profiles from Bambu Handy, I had no idea, but what this is telling me - is that I should always include an A1 Mini profile for those users. Thanks all!

The cat and mouse game of who gets the points for profiles

I couldn’t find another topic about this but I’m sure it’s had to have come up The cat and mouse game of who gets the points for profiles

It would be great if there were a way to block or curate which additional print profiles not by the designer get added to a model.

Since print profiles have the option for but not a way to mandate, that download points be allocated to the designer, additional profiles essentially steal points from a designer when they are added without merit.

There’s two things that exist on makerworld that somewhat address this:

First the obvious: the designer makes an additional profile doing the same as one of the user made profiles, which shows at the top of the list and has the green “Designer” badge - this usurps the additional now redundant profile, but seems a little… hostile?

Second the passive: designers can badge any user’s profit profile as Designer Recommended, and it receives a little heart badge - I’ve done this a lot as users have routinely put up worthy profiles that help users with different materials etc.

It becomes an issue however, when someone does something that has zero changes to a profile other say- an “A1 mini friendly” design. As we know, this is a one click change, select the a1 mini from the printer drop down and upload a whole profile that then steals points from the designer? Hardly seems fair.

I’d like to suggest to @MakerWorld that designers receive the ability to curate and delete profiles that they deem frivolous.

Thanks for attending my ted talk.

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Counterpoint are the models with no profile and posting a profile gets Bambu more sales. Bambu probably won’t do anything to tip that cart. But it’s easy to allow profiles when there is no profile from the designer.

I agree on the designer having the ability to block and remove 3rd party profiles though. It should be selectable collection-wide or model by model. That would be friendlier that removing profiles.

Some profiles are really helpful, but like you said…

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If it is simply one click, then why not publish your own profiles that are mini friendly? You’d get the top slot, and avoid the ‘issue’ entirely.

Some users only have A1 Minis, or their big printers are busy, so mini profiles are useful to have.

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This. I have a Mini and it’s annoying how many items would be perfectly suitable for a Mini but don’t have that profile, which means you can’t print them from Bambu Handy at all and you have to go back to Bambu Studio and re-slice, which is annoying when I’m not around my laptop.

I do upload Mini-compatible profiles, but it’s not to steal points. It’s to help out fellow mini users. If designers don’t want us doing that, they need to post their own Mini-compatible profiles.

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I say if you can’t beat them join them. Become a profile leach yourself. Some members work that system pretty well. And if you really want to double up on points go and grab all of the CO0 models from Thingiverse, Printables…etc and repost them here. Best part of all of this is you don’t even need a BL printer and it’s all kosher under the rules!

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Before I concentrated on uploading my models, I would add print profiles onto models made by other designers.

My interest has never been points, it is about plugging an annoying gap.

When the A1 mini was launched, I bought one as my first BL printer. I was told the Bambu Handy app would make my world easier. Except it didn’t, it became a trusting run through “go away, the designer didn’t have an A1 mini to test against so there is no print profile for you”.

Each time I wanted something to print, I had to download the profile made for other printers and make it work for the A1 mini.

As BL via MW actively encourages users to fill in gaps, I uploaded profiles so those who came after me could also enjoy this model but far more easily than I had.

If this was about the points, I can assure you, I have not made back the investment in filament, let alone the time, and energy costs.

My motives were to help others, I can’t speak to the motives of everyone else.

Erm, yes you do need a printer. You have to be able to provide photo evidence of a successful print or your profile will be pulled down for misrepresenting your upload and lying to the question that says…

This print profile passed my print test.

I have uploaded photos of my printed model to the photo list to show its printability.

You will also lose all the points you gained and could have your account banned. You will certainly find it difficult to redeem any honest points yu gained for legitimate models.

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Nope, no printer needed when people are re-uploading CO0 models here. Just use the pictures the original account had or sift through the makes section and they’ll steal other users pictures. I’ve reported dozens upon dozens of models and MW rejects them.

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It is important to note this has NOTHING to do with the licence of the model and everything to do with MW rules on providing profiles.

Profile upload guidance

2. Include real-life photos
While validating YOUR Print Profiles, don’t forget to take a photo of the printed model. This will make YOUR print profiles more convincing and appealing. And the photo is required for upload.

Disclaimer you must agree to before uploading a profile

This print profile passed MY print test.

I have uploaded photos of MY printed model to the photo list to show its printability.

Report Profile

Reason for reporting
Use OTHER’S actual print image

It is weird with all these rules dictating that the print profiles must include photo evidence of a successful print that YOU produced it is strange how you came to the wrong and totally opposite opinion.

That is copyright theft and even if the IP owner allowed it, it is still against the MW rules.

You are even aware this is theft.

You know it is an issue so much that you have reported them.

It sounds like you are jaded by apathy by MW rather than believing what you just espoused.

I have reported somewhere around 1.5k to 2k models and most are accepted.

Sometimes it takes evidence including links to related information.

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It’s weird that you somehow think I’m against you on all of this. :face_with_raised_eyebrow: When I’m just trying to point out a flaw in the system I’ve witnessed.

Like you I’ve reported various users for breaking the uploading/sharing rules that I’ve lost count. I’m just saying when ever I’ve reported the people who copy/paste models with the CO0 license MW rejects them 100% of the time.

You’re right maybe I’m just not going about it the right way.

Here are a few of my recent rejections. Maybe you’ll have better luck than me.

As you can see it’s a copy/paste from printables
https://www.printables.com/model/216420-schrader-valve-cap
if you go through that account you’ll find more.

Here’s another one, more recent.

https://www.printables.com/model/565789-2mm-wall-bambu-lab-filament-poop-chute-x1-x1c-and-

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Here’s another one

https://www.printables.com/model/676173-clippy-the-filament-clip

https://www.printables.com/model/864339-box-with-sliding-door

and these are all the ones just dating back to May that ive had rejected. My finger was tired of scrolling back through reports finding these. :sweat_smile:

if you are really bored just go on printables and search popular CO0 models and you’ll find tons of them over here straight copy/pasted.

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Excellent points, I didn’t know a1 mini users couldn’t print at all from Bambu Handy, and that explains it for me now, I’m just going to assume good intentions that everyone doing this is for that reason.

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Thanks everyone who explained that end of the equation. Honestly, with how much slicer automation is happening when printing from BH, I’m surprised swapping to the A1 mini without a dedicated profile isn’t yet an option, but what this is telling me - is that I should always include an A1 Mini profile for those users. Thanks all!

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I think there’s a deleted/missing post I missed so I don’t know what happened, but I also report when I see this A LOT. I probably pissed BBL off during the mouse contest because I reported a hefty portion of the entries for violating multiple rules. What makes me mad is the sheer volume of boosts and makes/downloads some of these uploads get that are violating the rules.

BBL has taken down many that I’ve reported, and even taken down entire accounts, so we know they’re trying. It’s weird though that they refuse to enforce Creative Commons and remix violations.

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I mentioned the same thing elsewhere on this forum.

The problem can be easily solved by determining the envelope of the model(s) on the plate and if it fits within the A1 mini footprint (or could be if automatically moved) then it should be supported.

You may not realise the A1 (not mini) profile issue either.

If you create a profile using an A1 (not mini) it is NOT compatible with ANY other printer BL sells.

The reason is it has the largest footprint of ANY BL printer. It is bigger than the P & X series. This is due to the P & X series having a non-printable region.

For this reason, if you own an A1 and generate a profile, anyone with an A1 mini, P or X series can’t print it, even if the model is a 1mm cube.

Until BL uses my 'envelope" logic in their slicer for compatibility, you will see models that weirdly show a single compatible printer.

I did as well.

They try to grab the bounce in downloads due to the extra promotion.

I also include in my reporting scripts (I have a few pre-rolled) that BL must remove and points generated since the model was added to the contest as they must be assumed to have been fraudulently gained.

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Some excellent points here and I have a few models that could fit on other printer profiles. I always thought others could do what I do and change the target inside Studio to the kind of printer they have, but that leaves Handy out in the cold until they give it some of the Studio functionality.

It’s not hard to use Studio and change the target, though. And still not a fan of those who take d/l points with trivial profiles. Most of the work is in the design. Someone shouldn’t be able to poach all the points. Maybe a 50/50 split which is still shortchanging the designer - just not as bad.

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