Hueforge print spam is becoming a big problem

Thanks for your option and i respect that. dont have prove here anything for anyone here. Take your homework before you come here telling your lies. Thanks for encourange! :slight_smile: i know my skillset and knowledge better than others and daily improving that. Why im here im speaking with other artists too not making drama want keep everyone neutral position and great place for everyone, not for just myself! :melting_face:.

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Alright, well enjoy your AI generator. I look forward to the next 200 prints you post. Maybe some day we’ll see you posting some actual prints of them.

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By the way, StatusD112,

I might be a selection of words I can’t use on here, but I am serious about the presentation of one’s work. I have nearly 20 years experience as an art lead and art director, and throughout that I’ve worked with countless artist on how to best present work to clients, to get speedy approvals and shorten those feedback loops. Presentation is as important as the work itself. I’d be rather blunt in my opinions of hueforge work and how it’s presented on makerworld, but that has a lot to do with the way it’s presented and flooded onto the system. Good presentation that shows you care about what you’re doing nullifies those kinds of complaints.

It’s just like presenting work to a client, that isn’t presented well. they start to analyze and find more problems. If you present well, when someone sees it, they’re impressed and don’t start to dig for further problems.

You can choose to ignore these thoughts and curse my name or whatever you want to do, but you need to realize part of the problem there on why people find issue, and how you as an artist can work to better reflect your art on the world stage.

And it’s not just about pleasing some dude on a forum here, it’s also about the users of the site, the potential fans of your work. Setting yourself apart from others. It’s one of the steps in rising above. Rising above the opinions of those that are against you, rising above your fellow artist that don’t want to put in the extra work. End users see that too, and they tend to gravitate back towards those that do that.

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Of course, the presentation is important, that’s why I personally recommend at least a display of the original work, a virtual model, and there’s always no need to print the work, for the most part, the virtual model shows whether time has really been spent on the work

Yes, I agree that the way of presentation is important and many artists also do it. still art can also be made virtually Hueforge’s virtual edition, how the work looks is almost identical to what it is in real life. of course, in lithophanes, I also recommend presenting the work as a real edition, because currently the virtual models do not properly show what the work would look like. but it’s probably more about hueforge at the moment, it’s easy to present a four-color virtual one anyway

I agree, but this still doesn’t mean that each of us has to create a 3d printed piece of this? because we can present the work in this virtual model as well.

Yes, ignore would be the easiest route, but that’s why I’m here to help the artists’ issues so that we can resolve these issues together with a good heart and find that golden middle ground. of course I understand your concern that the flood is about to burst out, some Hueforge work is unfinished and not corrected, and quickly pushed out, it’s a little sad that many generating artists can’t spend time correcting their work, personally after generating I go through it with Photoshop, fix the work’s faults and check that the publication valid, it would be easy to throw directly from generation to hueforge and slicer and makerworld :).

I’m a bit on the same page that we do this for the community, and I really appreciate that these discussions are held properly, we’re not doing this just for ourselves, but for the whole community.

Of course, that’s how it goes

Thankyou

Yep, sorry StatusD112, you are exactly the kind of contributor I want to be able to exclude from my search results. That kind of zero effort usage of AI is why artists are being crippled by the AI revolution. It doesn’t make you an artist - it makes you a leech.

Yes, 3D AI models will be here soon, and I want to it to be a requirement that you declare them as such. Unlike my artist friends, I don’t completely object to the AI stuff existing or being available, but I want to be able to know when something had AI involved in its production. If being asked to check a checkbox during submission is too hard for you, see my comment above.

“Include photos or renderings of the model(s), preferably showcasing actual makes of the model.”

As for requiring HueForge users to post real prints - every other model on makerworld is supposed to at least upload a rendering of the model if not a photo (see above). Why should a hueforge generated model get an exception from that? The worst spammers aren’t even doing that - it’s not a rendering of the result - they’re just posting the original image they used as input. That isn’t remotely representative of what a printed result would look like. A rendering is still insufficient in my opinion - print profiles are now required to have a photo of an actual print, but even a rendering is way better than the zero effort of just pasting in the original AI generated image. I’ve played with HueForge - a good input photo doesn’t guarantee it’ll make a good HueForge print.

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Same reason everyone else has to add an actual photo, its the rules

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rules can be change and bend it for everyone suitable!

After all, AiArtists do not replace artists, and AiArtists are also artists in their own environment.
it’s a pity that you think like that, I understand your concern. we AiArtists also appreciate traditional art as much as our own style. basic AiArt is easy to create but hard to master.

Yes, I’ve been waiting for a while because the flood is starting to take over the 3d printing world. will change a lot in prints and also in the game industry, also in time the whole 3d modeling world will change radically. luckily, makerworld now has a 3d generated section that includes generated works in practice. it’s just modern times, there’s no point in resisting the reality of what’s coming

This is a bit wrong, there should be at least some virtual image that represents what the printout would look like. because of this, it would probably be good to include this real picture, I personally agree that there should be at least someone who can show what the printable will look like.

yes, what gives enough direction is what kind of print will be in the end games.

Thankyou for your time

I feel this. Your whole post probably has more effort put into it then these guys probably put into their AI prompts.

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Folks, It should be pretty obvious what’s going on. BL is making a landgrab. That means numbers. Not quality numbers, just numbers. Their behavior indicates two possible explanations on two fronts that should actually be tied into each other.

What’s the advantage to Bambu Labs to allow Hueforge models free reign?

  1. Allowing everything and anything that boosts their upload count.
  • This is so that they can boast higher numbers than Printables and Thingiverse.
  1. Protect themselves from DMCA take-down attacks by content providers such as Printables and Thingiverse by being hyper-aggressive with copyright strikes on legit contributors. This creates the illusion of enforcement without excessively diminishing upload counts.

You must admire their their solution as elegantly simple while allowing themselves plausible deniability of any wrongdoing. Hueforge content allows for volume without needing copyright consent. AI’s don’t sue companies. AI generated content creates wonderful volumes of uploads with minimal effort. Click-bate view counts also help perpetuate a myth of activity. So where is the incentive to provide filtering?

It has been suggested that they should allow filtering. Here’s why that is counter to their apparent goals.

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Why would Bambu Labs risk showing thousands of uploads with zero clicks by allowing filters? Think about that. You, the user, are helping drive fake numbers. If they allowed you to filter that content, even if only 1% of viewers ever clicked, that still drives the perception of interest and activity even if it’s because of click-bait. You have to admire the brilliance here. :+1:

My take on the state of affairs of Makerworld

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As for me personally, I looked at Hueforge last year when it was first brought up here. It didn’t hold my interest, so I moved on.

Regarding Makerworld. I came, I saw, and I left. With all of the forced tie-ins to my slicer, the lack of filtering and low quality content, I saw no reason to come back, all my stuff is on Printables. So in short, I have no dog in this fight.

I started using Orca Slicer initially just for the extra features and precisely because Bambu ignored calibration for P1P users and recommended Orca to P1P users because of their baked-in calibration features. But I now also prefer it over Bambu Studio because of Studio’s recent forced tie-in to Makerworld. I shouldn’t have to click past Bambu’s self-promoting content every time I launch the slicer if I don’t want to. Orca provides the option to load on the projects page as the default.

Makerworld’s true agenda in my opinion

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I looked at Makerworld and I posted here what I believe its hidden agenda really was, it’s architecture is designed to do the following:

  1. Create a platform to imitate “marketing buzz”. Appeal to the lowest common denominator of user and make them believe that this is where the party is.
  2. Setup Bambu Studio to eventually Monetize the slicer into an ad platform.
  3. Leave open the opportunity to sell you as content, to eventual advertisers. Remember the old saying; " If it’s on the Internet and it’s free, ‘You are the product’
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Summary and question to the group; Why do you continue to support Makerworld?

So in short, if so many of you believe that Makerworld is so bad, and many of you have posted here that you believe so, why are you still on that platform? Why are you still using Cloud mode? Why are you still using Bambu Studio?

A possible solution to this problem, but many won’t like it because it involves not being apathetic.

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The solution to this problem should be an obvious one. Simply Boycott Makerworld. Get out there and be Activist on social media. Bring the AI paranoia from the free press into this conversation by posting this on X and Facebook. Connect Hueforge with the perceived AI danger.

If recent chicken-little type articles in the free press are any barometer of current appetite for such topics, the media is clearly looking for stories on how AI is being abused. This story surrounding Makerworld is not only relevant to the current media appetite but it has a pretty ribbon tied around it. It’s a pre-baked, tailor-made story ripe for easy pickings by the lazy press. I say that because they can write this article from behind a keyboard and there is no need to interview anyone in order to fill the article with content. All that is needed is just enough of you to do your part to stoke enough interest on Social media to make this topic go viral.

To paraphrase an old saying “If you aren’t part of the solution, You are the problem”

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Interesting results this comment produced. :rofl:

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This is too much fun.

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I do enjoy a fun time at the prompt. Like this, a peek into the soul of a goose.

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Just noticed the following note on the Contest Detail page. Not sure if it has been there for a while or just added. But if anyone has uploaded more than 5 entries to any of the on-going contests, it will be wise to remove some before MW takes them down and possibly DQ the uploader.

Note: Each contestant will be allowed up to 5 entries per contest. Uploads exceeding this limit will result in possible removal from the contest page and the contestant will be disqualified.

95% of your whole post is BS. Makerworld doesn’t have to compete with Printables or anywhere else especially when ‘winning’ is just having the largest upload count.

They provide Makerworld as a service to encourage people to buy their printers and filament. Particularly inexperienced users who just want to click a button and get a great print as witnessed by their enthusiasm for verified and rated print profiles.

If hueforge spam detracts from the Makerworld user experience (and it is getting that way) they will do something about it.

I am quite happy with Makerworld. It doesn’t stop me getting models from anywhere else. The idea of Boycotting Makerworld is ridiculous (unless you are a Prusa shill which is probably the case).

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We are going to restrict each user’s upload to 5 per contest in the near future. Users won’t be able to upload a 6th entry into the contest.

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@MakerWorld would be great if REAL printed images as per the community guidelines were adopted.

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good i dont want to go over my limit

The ones I see without actual photos of prints are lithophanes and not HueForge. I do agree that people need to be required to post actual photos for the contests.

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