I personally find the Hueforge spam annoying as well, and regardless of one’s views on the validity of generated imagery as art, the reality is that spam is spam whether it’s artistic or not. 1000 copies of Mona Lisa Hueforge prints would be spam just the same as Bing-made pictures.
One nice solution would be to allow users to block/filter out specific makers from showing up in MakerWorld when browsing, or filter out specific categories, rather than simply searching within categories. A tag/section for “AI-Generated” that can also be opted into or out of for filtering while browsing would be very helpful as well.
Spammer should receive some kind of ban though, whatever it is that they’re spamming, Hueforge or otherwise. The rampant amount of Hueforge prints (that have never been test printed by the “author”) is a big reason that I do not use Makerworld right now. The number of stolen images, stolen models, and general “flood the app with anything and everything to get free filament” is pretty egregious.
There may even be issues with HueForge itself. The Personal license is non-commercial: “You may not sell prints or models, but you make give them away, however you must mark them as non-commercial.” (Mark what? The print or the STL?)
But if I can get a Bambu voucher from a model I made in HueForge and published on MW, is that commercial? Maybe it’s a grey zone. But if it is a problem, it also applies to Fusion 360 Hobbyist license, and likely loads of others. I suspect it’s a problem for the creators rather than Bambu but I really have no idea.
You only have to mark the post if you are selling, and you do this by including the license badge they provide. No getting a Bambu voucher does not make it commercial.
off topic there are pages wich can already create 3d models of the images it really works, but still need editing… imagine turinign those ai images to stl files with a few clicks… man i wish i would be 20 again hahahah
That’s great. Spamming in contests does have a technical solution. While waiting for that feature to be coded in, maybe MW can have someone (even an intern) to browse the contest entries once per day and remove the spamming entries and DQ or out rignt ban spammers from that contest?
There is this perception that MW takes a light-handed approach when it comes to enforcing the rules, and when enforced, it’s not done evenhandedly. Makers don’t know what MW is doing behind the scene tackling rule-breaking, so it may not be the reality. But perception is reality in many situatoins.
Suggestion: Could we not try to motivate the makers themselves to remove projects from Makerworld that garner little interest from the general public, instead of considering bans or exclusion? We could calculate a metric for every maker that determines the number of all downloads over all projects of time (e.g., 6 months) across all their submitted projects, and divide this download number by the number of existing submitted projects. If a maker submits 1000 projects that find little interest among the general public, their score will continually worsen. If they remove the projects from Makerworld that garner little interest, their score will gradually improve, since the current period is always taken into account. This way, every maker has control. Whether the assessment period is the last 3 months, 6 months, or a year, is a discussion in detail, as we must also consider that there are seasonal projects (e.g., holders for swimwear).
Terrible idea. Makerworld already has a problem of offering little or no reward to uploaders of models which appeal to a small number of people regardless of how much effort went into the model design or of how useful that small number may find the model.
For example I have a few camera lens specific models that owners of those lenses might find extremely useful. There are probably not enough owners using Makerworld for the models to earn a point so I haven’t and likely won’t bother uploading them.
You suggest I should be punished for uploading them.
IMO one download that saves someone spending $40 on a commercial part is worth 1000 downloads of yet another crappy filament clip or whatever.
Exactly. This would just discourage functional and niche models that aren’t chasing popularity. Printing a very specific replacement part that can’t be purchased or is absurdly expensive is one of the great benefits of 3D printing. I think the focus should be on improving search and discoverability beyond what’s currently popular.
I don’t see anyone asking to remove or ban a certain form of models in this thread. One of the complaints is the spamming which demoralize creators. Spamming shouldn’t be allowed.
Some also express their desire to have a way to exclude certain models, in particular generative models, from their screen, not from the site, to make it easier to find things they want. It’s a reasonable request. I have seen some art site having a filter for users to filter in or out AI-generated arts. This is not picking on AI arts, but a practical need: the extreme high output of AI creations can flood one’s screen. For those interested in them, this is great, but for others, this is unpleasant.
Popularity is not the only reason to publish a model either. Some do it for their artistic or creative experssion to contribute something uniuqe to the community.
They have their own category called Generative 3D Model. But what shows up in one’s screen are models from all categories.
There is nothing wrong with generative tools. In fact, we should all embrace and try to incorporate them into our workflow when appropriate and feasible. However, these powerful tools in the wrong hands can create headaches for all.
At last! very great news for us!
now finally the generating artists got their own category, in fact this is a good thing, those who like the products of that category don’t have to search anymore.
Perhaps I would have hoped that hueforge and lithophanet would still be separate under this category as well.
also this 5 competition submission of works is good, in my opinion it could be even smaller because it is a competition work that is sent. and the intention would not be to put many of his latest works there. there would be more variety.
a bit about this hueforge hate in general. we also have to remember that hueartist are creators too, even if we don’t make the same stuff as others. today I went through the general category where everyone’s works and new uploads are. in my opinion, the works have been distributed really well, even at the moment Hueforge’s spam is really not a problem. and I don’t think there is a problem at least yet, of course I could be wrong. yes, a lot of that income comes out in every category.
also crossed my mind when there is so much of this flood, makerworld wouldn’t focus on trends so much, also many good so-called invisible makers in any category, only they would get visibility. I always want to support smaller producers myself. when this general flood many factors just disappear and don’t get any visibility. and hueforge is not the reason for this, yes it is the number of uploads in general
Thank you for your time and I wish we could each be part of this family and live in harmony and seek solutions as a community.
Sorry ZiffyP, I didn’t mean to exclude anyone at all. If my idea does not contribute to the general satisfaction, I would like to withdraw my suggestion. ;.)
As someone who recently started using HueForge, it takes alot of time and effort to produce these, just as with 3D Models. I too get frustrated when I see uploads that have no printed model, just the photo it was made from.
Every upload of mine are pictures of the actual printed model, a model I usually print and tweak, a minimum of 5-10 times before even releasing. I’ve always liked art but have never been good at drawing, technology has made it possible for me to create the art I have in my mind. I would hate to see BBL do something that would negatively affect the people using HueForge in it’s intended way.
HueForge is great and allot of stuff out there is amazing now, I do agree you must PRINT IT, yes use AI, yes use HueForge but be creative and print it… The fun part of using things like HueForge is really learning how the translucent PETG and Semi-Transparent PETG and other materials work where you blend and overlap filament to create these beautiful pieces. At the end of the day this is not a “Design” website its a 3D Printing website so whatever you can create, be it AI, Photoshop, Illustrator, SVG as long as you can show that is PRINTABLE and actually looks and works out good then i’m open to it.
No wonder my groceries have increased in price. With all this fun stuff, it’s “eating” into the available corn and bean “stock”. Rules without enforcement is just like Speed Limit signs. They apply to everybody else. I really don’t care how many print files are out there as long as there’s a way to filter the content. Printables is much easier to navigate, for me.
Rules without enforcement is just like Speed Limit signs. They apply to everybody else. I really don’t care how many print files are out there as long as there’s a way to filter the content. Printables is much easier to navigate, for me.