Emotion aside - when I bought the printer it allowed me to use it (my “property” in capitalist speak) the way I wanted. Changing my owned printer so that it has less features - no matter the reasoning - is akin to taking back a piece of the product without just compensation.
If I’d known I wasn’t buying a printer, but instead licensing a technology and leasing hardware, that would be a different story.
I have yet to see anything that confirms this.
Bambu claimed that they are in active contact with the developer of Orca, but the later has stated that he was simply informed about the announcement two days prior to it. That’s not “active contact”.
The Developer eventually asked for API Key Integretation, which was denied. Being forced to use Bambu Connect as the “Middleman” does NOT provide functionality.
This is a misunderstanding of security.
Again, a secure system can still offer the owner the option to allow trusted access through myriad means.
As for Orca, read this thread. As of today it has been confirmed by the developer that there will be no direct access for OrcaSlicer - only access through a standalone monolithic app called bambu connect.
Bambu saying “we are working with the developer” does not mean they are actually working with the developer, it just means they told SoftFever “how it is.”
Won’t discuss this more than i need to, but have you checked Orcaslicer Github and read what the dev said he got for an answer from Bambu?
This is no easy task, but this is also more than Bambu is telling us, the users, creators, youtubers, etc.
This is not "working closely with Orcaslicer development at all, as stated by Bambu.
And this part in their Blog didn’t aged well too
Thoughts from the developer himself and also from the creator of XTouch. Lots of different approaches are also given.
I’ve never used a new firmware or BS update until at least the first revision to the update is out (and twice I had to wait for the second revision). And I’ve had fewer problems because of that approach.
Will take the same approach here. In addition, as long as they say “we are working on 3rd party XXXXX”, I will not install it due to the possibility of the new version or a revision adding a crippling feature. Once the 3rd party stuff actually works, then I may give it a try. But I will keep the older revision on my hard drive to reinstall in case I need it.
If I have to walk an SD card to the printer, then I will do so.
I remember reading posts from people warning about this a year ago that Bambu Lab would start playing these games sooner or later, what’s confusing to me is do they really believe this won’t hurt them? Sure, I’ve got 2 of their printers but this kind of announcement just applied the breaks on any thoughts of future printers regardless of what they release with their new printers coming soon and I’m just a hobbyist, I can’t imagine people in business responding positively to this. This is disappointing for sure.
I am trying to understand why you are so passionately arguing “conform or ‘f’ off”.
Why do you care if their are some of that want BL to hear our thoughts on locking things down so? Clearly you’ve already made up your mind.
I don’t know if you are from the US or somewhere else, so please insert relevant state/province/country into the following scenario…
Let’s say you buy an automobile in your state (local geographic region) and for 2 years you drive it all over, even out of state to visit your relatives.
Suddenly the manufacturer of the car decides they don’t like the liability laws the states around your state have passed.
Easy fix for them, your automobile will no longer function in those states.
They have effectively locked your region of operation for your vehicle.
Will you be in the “Oh well, it’s there right!” ‘camp’?
Or will you be quite upset since you spent $XX,XXX amount of money on your vehicle and can’t use it for much of what you bought it for?
You could always sell it… but who wants to but a region locked vehicle? So now it’s only worth 10% of what you paid for it.
This is how some of us feel about it. If you don’t agree with us that is fine. But at least try to understand where we are coming from.
Don’t assume you can downgrade. This can be prevented.
Also don’t assume 3rd party will get worked out. SoftFever has gotten direct info that the only way for third parties to control the printer will be through “Bambu Connect” a separate, monolithic app. No direct control. Scroll down to the last day of comments.
They are not forcibly pushing firmware updates, are they?
It is your machine, you still have full control of it, right?
https://bambulab.com/en-us/policies/terms
Specifically 7, Updates.
Anyone using a BL printer had to agree to this. Again, this wasn’t unkown and just like everything else that has a license, it’s yours in only certain ways.
Yes you own the physical machine. The software needed to run it is a license. Hack it yourself, run what you want on it. Don’t begrudge BL (or any other company) because they are doing what you agreed they could do in order to use their software and ecosystem.
Stay off the internet, and you’ll be fine.
Now, jokes aside, when a new firmware is released, you get notified with a popup window message, when you start your printer. Launching the firmware update usually requires your active acceptance (pressing a button, ticking a checkbox, etc) after which the update launches and …you’re done… Joking again.
Check your firmware version. If it’s before 01.08.03.00 you’re fine.
Theoretically (and according to contract law) once you paid for it, it’s yours to do what you please with it.
However, it might come to light that the new Bambu firmware might be the step of preventing you having full control over what you own… This part remains to be seen…
Companies got used to say “we will do that” and they know that people will spread their cheeks and say “come on right in”. People just love bread without butter 
Again, people forget too easy. You just need to go back a bit and look at the time you were “bu**hurt” from what they did. But now you get some rewards and it’s all good right? 
Hey also. Aren’t we still waiting for that AI drama to be resolved? The drama that Bambu “clarified” 2 months ago? Guess what, those people? They keep getting their thousands every month.
“But bruhhh, bambu said they would take care of it… chill” 
Wow, pretty sure I’m saying accept you have no say in this. Please don’t put words in my mouth. If I wish to tell you to f-off I will be explicit and clear.
Again, never told anyone to quiet down. The opposite actually. Simply stating that it’s a reality that BL isn’t going to care, beyond saying “oops, sorry”. Everyone complaining agreed to this anyway. See the terms of service. So in the end you do have to accpet this, or jump ship.
Very odd apples to oranges comparison. I have one answer though, and the only one that matters. IF you signed a contract or agreed that the manufacturer could change the terms at will at anytime, then pound sand. You have no recourse than to buy a different car and enjoy it.
If I agreed to the Terms and Conditions, then yes.
No, because before spending money I research and know about what can possibly happen (legally) to interfere with my ownership.
Feel that way, but accpet it doesn’t matter. Not my opinion it’s fact. Sorry to be so blunt.
This is a bigger conversation. That stuff is in every EULA. There is much discussion worldwide about the enforceability and legality of many EULA provisions.
Personally, I find the idea of an EULA incompatible with ownership. But that’s just my opinion.
In a lot of ways I’d agree with you. However it has no bearing on this right now. None.
What may or may not happen in the future with EULA can be influnenced by those that choose to join that fight. I’d support them myelf. However you can’t get around a current problem today with that argument.
There’s no harm in feeling irritated. I don’t blame anyone for that. However it’s futile to chant “I’m done” and expectd something to change because of that, even if you can find a chorus of people to join in. You’d have to have a majority, or a legal standing.
Go ahead an yell if it makes you feel just a little better, but be realistic.
Just because you checked an “agree” box doesn’t mean you actually have an agreement. It has to be a legal agreement to start with.
You can check a box agreeing to allow someone to kill you, but that is an unenforceable, illegal contract worldwide. The killer will still be charged with murder.
Extreme example, yes, of course.
John are you hoping to get the newest printer for free with all this white-knighting?
Oh, c’mon. That isn’t even worth an lol.
The reason you disagree is because the error is on you, not BL. You agreed, weren’t tricked or bait and switch. Again, just get it out of your system (reasonably) and accept it.
All current EULAs have a clause that they may change the terms of the EULA at their will. So what you may have signed originally, might not be the same EULA that you bound yourself to.
So I am sorry but you EULA argument doesn’t hold much water.
I bought my P1P in 2022. Show me that EULA.
You sound like a lawyer… lol
Bambu and I have a negative relationship. Just like you and I do.
It’s not white knighting if I’m telling you the truth, wether you want to hear it or not. You can take BL out of my statements and put any other company in it’s place. If you agreed to the terms, you agreed. End of story.
