LOL, you agree to future changes just by signing it (or accepting it).
Does anyone read them, or know how and why they work? It’s not to protect you.
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To an extent I agree. There are though situations in which users feel so betrayed and voice that, that the company backtracks.
Sonos for instance. They released a new app that was “better.” But not only was it buggy, it changed fundamental features of the systems people spent $$$ on. It was so hated by a core group of loud users that the company took a huge financial hit and the CEO just resigned. Now they are backtracking.
What is realistic or not realistic isn’t static or specific. There is no universal threshold. Will the noise we make change bambu’s course? Maybe not. But, maybe.
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I’ll just let the screenshot speak for itself. Clearly, SoftFever says a totally different story than what Bambu claims.
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They also killed the previous units. I had to help deal with that at work.
To that, you’d have an argument if the unit no longer worked at all due to an update.
Sonos will be dealing with that fiasco for awhile.
Pushback from users can and does lead to plans being changed or scrapped. BL enjoys a good reputation thanks to users. They’re going to tarnish that reputation and it will effect their bottom line. Yes, they have whatever money you already gave them. A company doesn’t survive on the money it already made.
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Oh and using Apple as a shining example of why this is all roses is hilarious when they are getting sued the world over for their business practices.
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Valid statement. However just being vocal isn’t the only condition. You need to be right, harmed, and the majority. You can’t possibly know that there are enough of you to make enough noise. Also, no I don’t know for a fact that you aren’t. However just cruising the news outlets, FB and other social media, comparing the users amounts seen complaining, and looking at total sales I’d bet I’m closer than you are.
Making the mistake that because you have others agreeing with you means your right is going to lead to disappointment.
Again, ToS.
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I may have to start combining replies.
I use Apple because if we say “walled garden”, Apple is first company most think of, and the most relatable.
Being sued isn’t always an indicator of bad business. Can be quite the opposite sometimes.
Continuing to use Apple, let’s look at this. Every release there’s someone complaining about something they’ve done, wanting to boycott them, etc. Every iphone sells. How often does Apple have to backtrack? Even then backtracking isn’t always about being wrong, but just figureing it’s not worth the fight to be right. Usually after a lot of bad press.
You can not like a company. However you have to acknowlege facts such as successfulness and longevity in their market. Like it or not Apple is a walled garden that does very, very well.
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The real world doesn’t prove that to be true. A vast MINORITY of Budweiser drinkers caused them undue a change by boycotting them.
The only time you have to be in the majority is when there are two opposing options in demand. In this case, just like with Budweiser, the status quo was not going to cost them any customers - only the change was going to do that. I’ve not seen anyone saying they’ll refuse to buy another Bambu product if they don’t implement this change. The option here for Bambu is to keep all their customers by leaving everything as it is or lose some by changing things. That brings the decision around to being one of weighing what they’ll gain on issues that may not be publicly visible (like something to stay in favor of the PRC, just as an example) versus what they’ll lose in customer revenue. In that light, it is certainly beneficial for those who are unhappy to complain very loudly - even if they are a minority.
Strategically they didn’t announce this before the Christmas season when they sold lots of printers. I have a feeling this would have dramatically hurt their sales during the Christmas season.
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Tried to reply 5 times and be polite.
No.
But Bambu Studio doesn’t support per object flow ratio setting and Orca does. As k-factor per filament option. Ans so and so.
Orca is better than BS.
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Yes you can, you have to make multiple filaments that all use the same AMS slot, then for each of those use profiles with different flow ratios.
Is this plug-and-play about what every bambulab ad and even users says?
It literally takes 2 minutes to do, it’s not very difficult and pretty straightforward. I don’t think anyone who isn’t experienced enough with printing to make these simple changes would be adjusting the K value anyway.
What’s funny about that whole thread is that there are multiple better and more secure ways of securing printers (and cloud) descirbed there that wouldn’t piss off users and limit available functionality… As I said - hiring literally a single cloud security expert would offer more protection and cost effectiveness (in both short and long term) than what they came up with.
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@johnfcooley, my friend, you’re starting to sound like a fanboy defending the dark side.
It may be their garden but it’s “my” property. What’s more, you can’t change the rules after the game started which is what Bambu is doing by clawing back features after the product was already purchased.
I was going to post a response but I can’t do any better than @movingimage has done here. 
If Bambu wants to change the conditions of ownership. They have two requirements under the law.
- Make these conditions known before the purchased.
- Offer a refund to those who already own the product.
Bambu is just begging for some enterprising attorney to nail their ass to the wall of class action lawsuits. Their reputation will suffer irrevocable harm. It would be a fairly easy case to prove financial harm. It’s almost like their “daring” the community by saying “we can do whatever we want; stop us”.
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I am simply putting forth the argument that this is a matter of TOS and we all agreed to it. It’s sad nowadays that to take a side means you’re a shill, fanboi, or similar. My opinions are my own, based on experience. Thanks, I would have thought you knew better.
As I told him, it is your property. Feel free to root it, install your own firmware and have a ball. Nothing but knowledge stopping you.
However it’s their software that controls the printer as is, and as is you agreed to the stipulations they put forth. You (or I) don’t have to like it, but that’s what it is, and it should be accepted. Now if you want to fight it, then go ahead, but please don’t act like you guys are victims here.
Unless you are willing to admit you signed your own warrant.
They did, the TOS.
BL is not the first company to do such a thing nor will it be the last. Be glad it’s a printer and not a tractor.
Again, my comments are based on the victimhood that runs rampant through this thread. None of you are victims, none of you have been short changed or blindsided. Hell, even BL gave you warning in the blog post when the X1 custom firmware thing launched. They told us all that it may cease to work. They told BTT that the Panda Touch may cease to work. It wasn’t a secret.
They’re sandbox, their toys.
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Yup. That’s why I was not outraged by their actions. Only disappointed.
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I am outraged by all companies that today use EULA / TOS to deeply control user behaviour after the purchase. With real property that would be akin to a lease… or even an easement, instead of a purchase. In the modern retail landscape, companies have figured out a way to sell you something that you don’t truly own. It is dishonest. I am morally opposed to this abuse of power. It didn’t use to be a widespread practice. Now it is. Just because we have habituated to it, that doesn’t mean it is ok.
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