If you don’t think there’s been a massive decline in the last 30 years, the years where education is finally been easily accessible and available to everyone, you are living on a different planet.
Heck of a comparison to go back during WWII or even further, the 1800’s.
Just wait until you realize the ages of most of the men who wrote the greatest documents this country has ever seen, just decades earlier than that.
Hint: they were young.
Try another argument
I, for one, would likely take a trade in if it were offered. Not so much for the dual noozle (although it would be nice) but for the active chamber heating.
If you need active chamber heating, why did you buy a P2S knowing that it doesn’t have it?
All fairness, the active chamber heating on the P2S is actually pretty good.
Takes about 10 minutes to get up to 55c. (And most of that time is during the calibration)
It is still advertised as a high temp printer. A chamber heater just makes it slightly easier.
It’s the price for innovation and rapid development.
Until Bambu Lab came around just a few years ago, bedslingers were the state of the market. The X1C shook up (disrupted) the market and launched prosumer grade printers on the Core XY pattern into the stratosphere with Moore’s Law.
Just 1.5 years ago the X1E was still the Bambu Flagship — the souped up X1C. Within a year, the H2D then H2C entered into production and broad release.
Now, the entire X1 series is on notice that it is at “end of life” for OEM support and will only be supported for parts and new version slicer compatibility for a few more years at most.
If you are about getting new capabilities, then this is the rapid cycle of technology advancement you want.
Remember how just a few years ago, how involved things were trying to print PA (nylon) on an affordable bedslinger, which was not affordable after you implemented all the necessary upgrades? Starting with the X1E, printing PPA and PPS has become as easy and reliable as printing with PLA.
That’s the benefit of BL launching prosumer 3D printing into Moore’s Law applicability.
The issue I have with all this is that the huge advancements are already slowing down on bringing industrial printing capabilities to the average consumer.
I’d like to see more dev focus on the ability to print: higher temperature materials such as PEEK and PEI, multiple TPU / TPE filaments on the same object and job, and newer slicing algorithms or multi-axis tech for improved print quality on overhangs.
Makera is making a huge move to bring to prosumer CNC what Bambu Lab did for 3D printing. I’m thinking this is where I’d like to invest my dollars in the near future. Prosumer CNC for aluminum and mild steel with automated tool changing at costs below $3,000 will likely happen long before affordable, consumer feasible DMLS printing become a reality for these metals. There’s very real limits to what even PEEK and PEI can do on strength modulus and heat deflection compared to common aluminum and steel alloys available in billet.
I’m sure Bambu Lab sees all this happening in the CNC space and will consider making a move to either combine it with 3D printing technologies or just go full DJI on the CNC.
When that happens, you’ll be even more disappointed in the lack of upgrade path for the P2S.
Such is life with technology, my friend. I feel your pain but also accept these sufferings are the costs for progress.
I agree that Bambu Lab disrupted the consumer/prosumer FDM market, but the history here is a bit off.
Bambu Lab did not bring CoreXY into existence. CoreXY printers and CoreXY projects existed long before the X1C. What Bambu did very well was package CoreXY, speed, calibration, AMS, software and appliance-like usability into a polished consumer product.
That is a major market achievement, but it is not the same as inventing or introducing CoreXY.
Also, “Moore’s Law” is not really the right term here. Faster product cycles and feature competition are not Moore’s Law. That term refers to semiconductor transistor density, not 3D printer release cadence.
The fair version is: Bambu Lab did not create CoreXY, but they made a fast, integrated CoreXY printer mainstream in a way earlier DIY, kit and enthusiast machines did not.
No. It’s completely absurd.
It’s resource intensive and not worth the cost or time when a consumer can simply sell the thing and move on.
Of course they do. Where exactly do you think all their printers are going that were returned under warranty?
These companies are trying to sell them again at a discount to get them off their books.
That isn’t a “refurb” program.
That’s a “trying to cover for losses” program.
That’s NOT a customer trading in program.
I just bought my P2s Combo. I researched both p2s and x2d for a bit. I was actually gonna get an x2d but all were sold out around me and I just didn’t want to buy direct from bambu in case I had initial problems. I bought my p2s from Best Buy with the 4 yr protection plan. I’m glad I did as I started reading people having problems with the x2d. Plus I really didn’t see the extra hotend being a necessity for my basic printing. I think the x2d is basically a different bird from the p2s. I think it just gave people an alternative to the more expensive H series. The only upgrades I care about for my p2s are the ones that help make it trouble free.
This whole thread gained a lot of < View Hidden Replies> lol. Serenity now
As I keep noodling with mine, I keep thinking the X2D isn’t really worthy of “upgrading” your general purpose printer into imo. The things it does real well are niche, you will know if you need them and you will be real happy, and if you do not you will suffer the inherent complexity, drawbacks, and walled garden constraints
FWIW, we’ve found that the aftermarket for used BL printers is quite good. We’ve sold 2 recently as we’ve stepped up from the P2S to the X2D. So far they’ve held their value rather well.
Also, we haven’t been as blown away with the delta of the X2D as we’d hoped. It’s still a solid workhorse…
We (or least the Welsh) prefer sheep for that analogy, I a, aware it wasn’t focused towards those in the U.K.
It is unfair to judge those Americans seen on YouTube (billions of times) showing they have zero intelligence. No idea where countries or continents can be found, their past presidents or have any understanding of the constitution that is there to protect them.
But, I feel it is worth sharing this comparison between the U.K. and the U.S.
We can ignore reading as who the ■■■■ does that? Certainly not men building flat park furniture.
As you come up to your 250th birthday and most here have houses older than that, be joyful in the knowledge (ha ha) that the U.K. may have said sod you 250 years ago, but we are marginally smarter in a few things.
Plus, we don’t lie about what we invented.
Every one of these has been claimed by an American, yet had little to nothing to do with it and certainly didn’t invent it:
The last two are literally named from where they did come from.
The list is massive, this is just a tiny sample. I could keep going all day.
We are a country that wasn’t conned into buying so many flags because ’big flag’ had a successful ad (propaganda) campaign and was the reason the pledge of allegiance exists - to sell flags!
Decaffeinated Coffee is not something to be proud of. Carry on 
Okay, but… our pizza has cheese in the crust
Now, are you talking about an American Hotdog? Because that’s.. I mean… Like the idea of a hotdog doesn’t seem wholly American to me, it’s just the ones they sell here are like, uniquely American, or I hope so, because my gawd if the rest of the world is consuming these things. We also put cheese in our hotdogs
We can put cheese in the hamburger too. It doesn’t have to go just on top.
That’s where I put my American cheese. Don’t act like you got any rights over American cheese, that’s our cheese like product! I think.
Funny thing, I was comparing my cat to a vacuum cleaner earlier today, and I had said she was a UK Vacuum cleaner. I don’t know where the best are actually made, I’ve just always had this impression in my mind that they come from the UK. Or at least did.
Well I guess that’s why my toaster is such a piece of junk
And so if it wasn’t for you, we wouldn’t have a forum where someone ordered a P2S, got a P2S, and is complaining about it. Oh wait, that’s a different thread.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE WELSH? I didnt even think they spoke english.
A lot of Americans don’t travel much outside of the United States. But what is the point when the US is so big. I took an 12 hour work trip last week, I crossed 3 states. If I did that in England, I would be in the south of France.
Ever seen those videos of Europeans trying to name American States?
I will be happy that my house is only 23 years old and almost 4 times the size of a home in England.
Then lets talk about cars:
The average British car…
The average American car…
Lets look at the things that Americans actually invented:
AND sliced bread for Gods sake
We took it and made it better (a lot of the time that means adding cheese)
Yeah the automobile was invented by a German, but the reason that everyone drives cars nowadays is because of an American.
If it wasn’t for Americans this forum would not need to exist because 3d printing would not exist
Damn that was time wasting, so I will leave it with this…
You guys think it is an oven as well.
You also put kettles on stoves, they would melt if we did that.
You have a cheese theme for everything else.
Interestingly, my point was the lack of acknowledgement of the real inventors of things and you give me a list of things that also fall into that category.
Built on the back and required packet switching from the Brits.
Built on the back of the work of a Canadian.
Built on the work of a German.
French
Built on the back of an American black woman, two categories of people seemingly most despised by other Americans, certainly the current government.
I could go on but it is an embarrassment of lies and deceit.
I assume you mean the modern electrical version. As with other technologies, it serves to add technology to something invented thousands of years ago to make its use cost money ongoing rather than free.
The Ancient Egyptians & Romans and Persian Engineers had working systems.
Leonardo da Vinci (1500s) The famous polymath (not a famous American) is documented to have designed one of the earliest fan-driven cooling systems, which used a hollow, turning water wheel to guide a stream of cool, evaporated air into living spaces.
Ancient Persians used Passive Daytime Radiative Cooling in desserts to cool homes and to create blocks of ice in the desserts. Zero electricity and zero Americans were involved.
Nope, in the 16th Century, early concepts resembling assembly lines were used at the Venice Arsenal, not America. The belief that ford invented it ignores he merely made it fit for modern (at the time manufacturing), it was around long before Americans could lay claim.
French.
This was on my list. You mean the Scot, maybe the Italian before him or more correctly, the Cuban?
French.
A Frenchman invented the first photographic camera, but the photography concept was first described by ancient thinkers like Mozi in China and Aristotle in Greece. The 11th-century Arab physicist Ibn al-Haytham (also known as Alhazen) mathematically explained how this worked and is widely credited with inventing the pinhole camera.
Dutch were first, then the French.
The modern milestone was preceded by thousands of years of primitive methods, including the use of opium, alcohol, and herbal concoctions by ancient Sumerian, Chinese, and Islamic physicians.
Vaccines, now considered so dangerous by the current government, they are being phased out.
Built on the work of Dr. Karl Landsteiner and Dr. Erwin Popper were Austrian scientists based in Vienna. They discovered and isolated the poliovirus in December 1908 while working at the University of Vienna and the Wilhelminenspital.
A brilliant discovery going up against the idiocy of politics.
Czech
Yes, this one is yours.
Although, it links to the jet engine also credited to America despite being British.
Yes, although common to many American inventions, entirely accidental and trying to solve the exact opposite problem.
They were trying to develop a super-strong aerospace adhesive and produced one of the weakest.
They then spent considerable time trying to find a product for the mistake.
A great product though, even though it wasn’t being sought.
You made it yours, better isn’t a measure.
That doesn’t make it invented.
In fact it kind of sums up American ‘inventions’, made by someone else, America takes credit, makes it cheaper and lives off the IP of others.
Weird China gets a bad name for copying the same play book.
Are you suggesting no one had a knife and sliced bread before?
No one does,
If you really think about it, ever invention all traces back to some caveman in ancient mesopotamia.
Our definition of “invention” is different. It is an iterative process.
Can you say that Karl Benz did not invent the automobile because it builds off of the work of Nikolaus Otto? I would not say you can.
It does not make sense to discredit someone for building on existing concepts. By that logic, almost every invention should be credited to Newton and Leibniz for using advanced mathematics.
You might be reading too much of the Guardian
Yes of course. Air conditioning as we know it using refrigerants and compressors.
If you really want to get specific it was a invention from a swedish watchmaker.
Of course not. Everyone ate sandwiches with 2 full loaves of bread. That was the only way and you can not convince me otherwise.
I am with you, I purchased the H2D, then I purchased the H2C. I am happy with both of them for different reasons. I use the H2D mostly for my engineering prints and the H2C for my multi-color stuff.
Ok but the bulletproof school backpack is American, right?
Desperation to see only the problem right in front of you does mean necessity is mother (f-er) of invention.
You know, rather than solving the problem so many other countries did fir the same reason
