Well, at least I can say that I have contributed more to the topic than your meltdown AI.
So, back to the topic:
If you had read the topic once before, you would know that this has already been discussed, and you could build on that knowledge. It looks like you’ve turned off your AI for now, though, and are thinking for yourself again. 
I’ve been recently learning to cook better, and I believe a home made pasta sauce is just as easy, and cheaper, then buying bottled sauces. It’s wayyyy better too. Like there’s a lot more depth and flavor to it. I’ve always found bottled sauces to be kind of bland and the same. All of these flavor options, but to me, I could hardly tell the difference, outside of something like a truffle pasta sauce or something crazy.
You get the bottled sauce, you dump it in the pan, you heat it up. So easy. But, like, it’s just as easy with a home made sauce.
Start with a 28oz can of crushed tomatoes, dump it into a pan, simmer. You can then add your other ingredients, spices, to shape the flavor profile a little more. I honestly just wing it. You let that simmer for like at least 30 minutes, and you’ve already got a better and cheaper sauce.
I’ll do mine for about 3 hours, get it really nice and rich, deep in color. So good.
I like to brown up some meats, like fancy hotdogs, ground beef, pork. Do that in a stainless steel pan to really develop those flavors. I use tomato paste too, and if you don’t want to use meat you can use just tomato paste. The point is getting some of that browning, the maillard reaction? I dump that into the simmering sauce, then I’ll de-glaze the pan and dump that in too.
If I have fresh onions or garlic on hand, I’ll work with those, but otherwise I’m not above just the dry spice versions of, along with whatever other spices I think might be good. I really wing it on the spices just based on what I have going on.
For the pasta, I’ve been doing spaghetti. I’ll use chicken bullion in the water. I really want to try and get as much flavor into those noddles as I can. I time the pasta to finish around that 3 hour mark, because I want it to all come together in the end. By this time the pasta sauce should be very deep, rick, thick, and just punching you in the face with flavor. I’ll add some of the pasta water into the sauce to help thin it up a little. I drain the pasta, then combine the pasta and the sauce, and simmer it for a little bit longer. Let all those flavors leach their way into the pasta. Once it’s done, I add some butter and mix it in, give a little creaminess on top
It’s super good. Does well as left-overs too. Very cheap! Like in today’s world, it’s a great struggle meal that doesn’t taste like a struggle meal.
RetroSharky, you are still spending more time commenting on me than on the actual issue.
Yes, selling the old printer has been mentioned. That is exactly why I refined the point into something more structured: a Bambu-backed trade-in or refurbished resale program, rather than a literal hardware conversion from P2S to X2D.
Those are not the same thing.
A private sale puts all responsibility on the seller and buyer: condition, warranty, wear, risk, support history, and pricing. A manufacturer-backed refurb/trade-in program would be different: inspection, repair where needed, controlled resale, clearer warranty terms, reduced waste, and a stronger reason for customers to stay inside the Bambu ecosystem.
So the actual comparison is not “sell your old printer” versus “free X2D”.
The relevant question is:
Would a structured Bambu Lab trade-in/refurbished resale path be a better solution than leaving every early P2S owner to handle resale privately?
That is the topic. The repeated AI remarks add nothing to it.
No. Why would Bambu want to deal with used machines, let alone machines that were only a few hundreds of dollars to begin with?
What kind of nonsense is this lol.
Good god man.
Josh, I will keep this on topic.
The question was not about pasta sauce. It was whether early P2S buyers have a reasonable case for asking Bambu Lab for an upgrade path, trade-in option, loyalty discount, or refurbished resale program after the X2D launch.
So the relevant points are still:
The P2S is not a bad printer.
The X2D is a different and more capable tier.
A literal hardware conversion from P2S to X2D may not be realistic.
A structured trade-in or refurbished resale program could still be a reasonable goodwill solution.
If you disagree with that, address that point directly.
That’s exactly what I wrote. You replied within a few minutes - you clearly didn’t read my comment. Get a grip. My second comment is almost entirely about a trade-in program. What’s going on with you today? There’s no way you read the two comments and wrote your own in just two minutes.
Please, before you post anything: Read first; don’t just jump right in with a reply.
I talked about that stuff earlier, so at this point I might as well just talk about my Pasta sauce, for all it actually matters.
Tool_Maker, the refurbished market already exists in many other technology areas, so I do not see why 3D printing should automatically be treated as some exceptional case where the concept is nonsense.
Of course the numbers would have to work. Inspection, repair, logistics, warranty, resale price, and demand all matter. If those do not make commercial sense, then fine — that is a valid objection.
But the idea itself is not absurd.
A used P2S that has been inspected, repaired if needed, and resold as a refurbished unit could still have value for print farms, schools, makerspaces, or users who want a lower-cost entry into the Bambu ecosystem.
So the question is not whether Bambu should magically turn a P2S into an X2D. I already agree that this is not realistic.
The question is whether a trade-in/refurbished resale path could be a commercially and environmentally sensible goodwill option for early P2S buyers.
I think this topic needs a full system reboot.
AI, Pasta sauce, trade in programs.
The server is getting overloaded.
Whats wrong with using the printer you chose to buy? And run the thing into the ground.
No it’s completly absurd.
People are not going to box up a bulky printer, spending 1/2 the money of its worth in shipping…..,
…….and then Bambu is not going to spend hours of labor…, testing, repairing, and certifying some used machine that might be worth $400 to begin with.
Let alone repacking it correctly for shipping, shipping supports, foam etc, to sell.., only to have it fail in 3 days and people be all pissed off.
That’s biggest losing proposition imaginable for a company.
You seriously can’t be a real person lol.
You are seriously out of your mind lol.
You do know that your printer can print with other brands filaments, not just with Bambu filament (which, BTW, ain’t different from others), don’t you? You can order similar/identical filaments on Amazon.uk, or from other 3rd parties, which are even cheaper than those bought from Bambu’s store.
Nowadays kids graduate HS and can’t even carry on a conversation unless it’s through a screen. Wild times.
Since that’s your anecdote, not evidence, I will counter it by saying:
Kids have always graduated from High School without the basic skills required to live in society. That they communicate through “screens” is just the latest complaint.
There are also kids who graduate from high school having already taken several college courses in mathematics, and they’re also excellent communicators. They’re thoughtful and kind.
While these kids who live in various cities have no experience with driving heavy machinery because quite clearly they’re not living on a farm, they can do advanced things with 3D printers, they build custom electronics, they operate pro-level live sound systems, they excel at playing musical instruments. So spare me the “midwest is superior” trope.
And while we’re at it, spare me the holier-than-thou argument that you’re too good to use texting. There’s a reason why fully-functioning adults use texting: because sometimes you need to communicate and you’re not in a private area where holding a voice conversation is practical. If my wife needs to tell me something when I’m at work, she’ll send a text. I might not get it immediately, and I respond when I can, but I don’t have to leave my cubicle to go have a private conversation. (And don’t say, “you shouldn’t be texting a work” or “you shouldn’t be taking personal calls at work.” If you think that, you don’t live in the real world.) YES: I make phone calls when necessary. Everyone does. But texting is a valuable communication tool.
I am curious: Which companies out there are offering these trade-in/discount deals for hardware? I have heard of some software companies offering free upgrades to recent purchases but I can’t recall offhand of any hardware company doing the same. I am not saying no one has, but it isn’t common enough I think that I can bring one to mind for an example. My mind is trying to tell me that Apple may have done it once or twice in the past for a Mac or something, but without a bit of internet sleuthing I am not going to be sure if I am imagining things or not.
I feel confident in saying no one is legally owed refunds, discounts or trades for a purchase they decided was not good enough, beyond whatever agreement was made for returns in the first place that is. I suppose the question comes down to if it is fair to expect it. I imagine some kind of deal would be great but I also assume that those deals would cost all of us more in the long run.
While we are on the topic of things we deserve, I want to submit that isn’t fair that I can’t afford a new printer at all right now. I know it isn’t Christmas yet, but I have been a good boy, Santa!
Okay, I have wasted my two cents weighing in, back to work!
Gotcha!
National Proficiency Breakdown - 2025 (Worst educated generation that has ever lived in the USA)
Reading: Only 35% of 12th graders are proficient or better. A staggering 32**% scored below “basic**,” meaning they lack the skills to extract simple details from a text.
Mathematics: Just 22% of high school seniors achieved proficiency in math, while 45% scored below “basic”.
College Readiness: Only one-third of seniors tested met the standard for college readiness in reading and math.
No child left behind is a joke. Great idea, terrible execution.
What donkey are you pulling this out of?
We have a 85 percent graduation rate now, compared to 25 percent in the 1940s. Then think of the 1800s where the standardized school system did not exist.
Also good to point out that the standards are much higher now than in the past.
That said, I am not denying that there are issues with the education system, but your statement does not explain the context.
To add to that comment:
Almost none - you could even say none at all. Having worked in the industry, I know that no company wants to do that because it’s too expensive, especially in a globalised world. As I mentioned in a previous comment, there are shipping costs to consider, as well as the cost of refurbishing the device. The worst part from a business perspective is having to offer at least a one-year warranty on a used device.
Simply sending it back to the warehouse is often not enough; it has to be sent to the company headquarters instead. A special department has to be set up there, complete with staff, tools, replacement parts, a system for re-entering the serial number and proper repackaging. It’s just not worth the trouble.
After all, safety is a major concern here! Just imagine if the device caught fire or the customer got an electric shock. If you are refurbishing, you must follow the entire safety protocol required, for example, by EU regulations or US.
At the companies where I worked, we simply gave customers $100 as a gesture of goodwill, regardless of what they returned. Old devices were then disassembled and used for repairs, in consultation with the customer - for example, to keep the price down by using replacement parts from the old device instead of new ones. Customers could indicate whether they wanted new or used replacement parts.
For those looking to receive more than $100, however, we would always recommend using existing dealers who specialise in refurbishing devices. This industry already exists and operates exceptionally well.
In fact, there are companies that offer something similar, but that’s a whole other topic. They have contracts where you don’t buy the hardware, you just rent it. In exchange, you always get the latest model and don’t have to worry if it malfunctions; you will receive new hardware the very next day. As I said, though, that’s a different topic. It’s an option for customers who always want the latest device, though. This option is also available for 3D printers, but, as I mentioned, the contracts are expensive and not worth it for hobbyists.
Ultimately, it all comes down to money. The company certainly isn’t going to cover the costs if the customer decides to switch to something else after several months. The loss in value would be too great. We all know how customers treat their devices.
I don’t even want to describe the state of some of the devices that customers have brought in for repair or return - it’s often shocking. A device that smells of urine is actually the least of my concerns. Even worse are customers who have tried to tinker with the device themselves or send it back completely disassembled.
Tool_Maker, that is a valid cost objection, but it does not make the concept “completely absurd”.
There is a difference between saying:
“This may not make financial sense for Bambu in every case”
and saying:
“Refurbished resale is nonsense”
The second claim does not hold up. Refurbished markets already exist across several technology sectors. Apple, Dell, Lenovo, and others sell certified refurbished hardware with testing and warranty structures. Even in 3D printing, refurbished printers are already sold by companies such as MatterHackers and Anycubic.
So 3D printers are not some magical exception where inspection, testing, repair, repacking, and resale are impossible by definition.
Of course the economics matter. Shipping, labour, repair time, packaging, warranty risk, and resale value would all need to be accounted for. Some machines would not qualify. Some would be uneconomical to refurbish. That is a fair argument.
But if the argument is that a refurbished P2S might “fail in 3 days”, then that sounds more like an argument against confidence in the product’s durability than an argument against refurbishing itself.
My point is not that Bambu must take back every used printer at any price. My point is that a structured, limited, condition-based trade-in/refurbished resale program is a realistic concept that already exists in other technology markets.
Whether Bambu wants to do it is a business decision. But the idea itself is not absurd.
If you don’t think there’s been a massive decline in the last 30 years, the years where education is finally been easily accessible and available to everyone, you are living on a different planet.
Heck of a comparison to go back during WWII or even further, the 1800’s.
Just wait until you realize the ages of most of the men who wrote the greatest documents this country has ever seen, just decades earlier than that.
Hint: they were young.
Try another argument
