PETG-HF is a DISASTER imho

Fresh out of the vacuum sealed bag, PETF-HF was horrific. Worse than TPU left out for months. Worse than wet nylon PA-12, which is saying something. More bubbles in the print than I’ve ever seen and well, frankly ZERO print “quality”.

They say you need to dry before use. Fair enough … but …

After five hours at 55ºC in a Sulu dryer and when printing from the dryer, it was only marginally better, still with very many bubbles under the microscope and horrible surface quality as a result.

A full 15 hours at 65ºC later finally eliminated (almost – I’m not kidding!) all the bubbling BUT the overall print quality is still very poor compared to PLA (since they claim it’s as good) and is in fact still as bad or worse than even wet PETG Basic. See for yourself …

Oh. I nearly forgot; that last best-of-the-three photo was taken AFTER hitting the stringing with a blow torch. Stringing was at least as bad and honestly, probably a little worse than decent PETG Basic. Unbelievable.

I would describe the final, best result I can achierve result as something akin to damp ABS mixed with PLA Silk but with PETG’s characteristic stringing.

Honestly, I’m astonished this product ever made it out of the R&D lab. It’s horrible.

My testing was on an X1C with 0.4nz. Ambient room humidity a mere 24%.

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Is your dryer a Sunlu S2? They don’t work well and can even add water on humid days.

I’ve almost got a fix finished that really improves the effectiveness of those kinds of dryers by providing a flow of dry air.

If it’s humid where you are and you’re using an S2 or similar, it may not be the filament’s fault.

Thanks for sharing. You didn’t by chance do a before and after weight when you dried it? That would be invaluable data as to what the actual moisture content was.

Your results however do show strong evidence to moisture issues. I’m hoping others who experience this issue can do a similar test and post here with their results.

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That’s not my experience at all. And there’s no need to show us your first 2 examples, because that’s like showing a video of a car that doesn’t start due to not having been fueled, then showing a video of the car now with the wrong fuel (fx. gasoline in a diesel engine) and then finally a video of the car running with the correct fuel.

Yes, you must dry the PETG-HF before use, as stated multiple places including on the package itself. And no, 55 ºC is not enough as this is PETG and not PLA.

Since you do not give us any further details for filament or slicer settings, this is impossible to help you out with.

So what I can say is that the 3 different colors of PETG-HF that I bought, have all behaved perfectly fine at the settings I have used. Print speeds up to 400 mm/s and 10,000 mm/s^2 acceleration with 20 mm3/s volumetric flow - and the surface looked nearly identical to PLA.

I say nearly, because there IS a minor difference to the benefit of PLA - but it’s VERY subtle, and the more matte finish of the PETG makes it look like the PETG prints are superior in surface finish at first glance (especially for untrained eyes).

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I’m curious as to what your [Outer Wall Speed] is set at… I won’t say I don’t believe you, but I don’t agree with these setting’s lining up if were talking a standard [0.16LH - 0.42mm Wall Thickness]

I’d like to add the fact also that this filament [PETG-HF] is that of a [Matte] finish therefore layer lines are hidden with good reason due to petg’s notorious shine/gloss finishes that tend to never be seamless with speed transition models.

  • Attached is the Test Parameters via Bambu Lab
  • When a maximum setting is stated that’s usually in regards to a print success, not applying towards every model/scenario. When you use BL PLA Basic’s default profile, the [Volumetric Flow Rate] is set well above a realistic value, within the product page you’ll see the statement of reducing that amount vastly if quality is your main goal.

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I have a habit of running the outer wall fairly slow - and make up for it by running the inner walls faster. Depending on the print itself, it may also be better to go outer-inner wall order, rather than inner-outer.

My outer wall speed for PETG is currently at 120 mm/s. I get fine results at 130-140 mm/s too, whereas 150 mm/s begin to show quality degration in surface finish.

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I run outer walls at 100 mm/s, regardless of filament. Feel like it helps avoid a lot of visual quality issues.

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Turns out I actually used my eSun dryer. It gets plenty hot enough and works very well with TPU and Nylon. Has an air circulating fan and such.

Most dryers can be improved, for sure. Probably this one too. I was drying filament for years in an oven but when these thing came on market I figured being able to print directly from the dryer would be good … and it really is, especially for longer prints, obviously.

Ambient humidity in my office 24% aka very low. Not low enough for long Nylon 12 prints, perhaps unsurprisingly. This PETG-HF appears to be more hydroscopic than even Nylon, which is just ridiculous imo.

Humidity here does vary significantly with seasons. It’s winter right now though, so low at the moment plus I have a heat pump in this space keeping things dry. Actually, it’s a little too dry for breathing but whatever. Filament comes first! LOL

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I did not, sorry. I’ve tossed the rest of the roll in the trash, which got picked up by the truck just this morning so am unable to revisit.

What are you on about? Print samples are print sample. They don’t require gas or wheel or motors or seats or anything. It’s PLASTIC squirted through a nozzel with a ZILLION other prints before it to compare to. I’m not stupid. This filament is ■■■■. Period.

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“Slicer settings etc” GIVE ME A BREAK. Stop trolling and purposely replying to frustrate and anger other members. I ought to report you.

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Please treat other members with respect as outlined in the Forum guidelines. This is your warning. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.

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I respectfully disagree with everything you said. You appear to me to be trolling. I have thus taken the liberty to ignore your response entirely. Thank you for your efforts. Have a nice day.

EDIT: I would like to invite you to explain how various print settings (besides temperature) affect the amount of steam generated when a hot nozzle encounters water in a plastic filament. Also, how would me providing the print settings I used have any meaning in the context of my message when I was not asking for any advice?

I am sorry if it appeared I was asking for advice and thus wasting your time as you graciously gave it for free. How very kind. I will try to do better in the future.

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Well, the first 2 pics don’t count because you didn’t follow the directions.

For some reason I don’t believe you when you say the left over stringing was after you hit it with a torch. If this were true, there wouldn’t be any fine strands left to see.

Then you said the dryer you used was a sunlu S2 and then later changed it to your eSun dryer. I don’t see how these could be confused. They look and operate very differently. Also, the eSun dryer only reaches 55°c, so how did you dry it at 65°c?

I’m going to totally discount this entire review.

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The first pic counts because it was clearly stated that it was printed BEFORE following the directions. What doesn’t count about that?

The directions were to, “Dry filament before use”. I did this in two stages at different temperatures and took photos of the respective results for educational purposes. What does not “count” about that?

Well that’s easy. I never said that. I said the PHOTO was after hitting it with a torch.

Again, no I did not. I said it was “my Sunlu dryer” though granted, it was actually my eSun dryer, as later mentioned but not edited into the OP. Apologies. It’s behind the printer, out of sight and I made a mistake there.

They can be confused, as it turns out, because I simply forgot what brand I had purchased. I thought it was a Sunlu but when I actually saw it later on when discarding the roll, I saw that it was in fact an eSun. Simple. Now you know. :wink:

If you say so. Perhaps I got that wrong too. I had it on setting “3” and have used it successfully for both TPU and Nylon 12 many times.

Again, it appears you cannot read. What review? I shared an experience and an opinion, albeit with some slightly incorrect data surrounding actual drying specifics. Regardless, the third photo is of filament throughly dried, as verified under microscope (almost zero bubbles — like I think I counted maybe three or four over the entire print? Sill more than dried ABS, for example.) I wish I could take a photo of that but I am simply not equiped.

I am sorry but what exactly is your point?

It remains objectively factual that this PETG-HF if considered as a replacement or upgrade to PETG Basic is simply not. PETG Basic, Nylon (other brand) and ABS print better and are easier to dry, to boot.

I can only assume from your response that your opinion differs and that you would say that PETG-HF is everything BambuLab says it is. OK. Noted. I disagree. It is in my opinion a completely pointless and rather severe downgrade over PETG Basic and I shall thus personally never purchase it again nor recommend it to others. You do you.

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The objective of any discussion forum is to share knowledge, experience, and opinions respectfully. Disagreements should focus on questioning data or offering contrasting views, not personal attacks. Some replies here seem like fanboy defensiveness rather than genuine discourse.

This is all kind of ironic given that the name of the forum software that Bambu uses is actually called “Discourse”.

It troubles me to see detailed posts with photos and made with care and effort, attacked instead of their arguments or data being refuted. This creates a hostile environment and discourages sharing. Ad hominem responses diminish the attacker more than the poster. How many of the attackers have made such contributions? Shouldn’t we encourage this kind of detailed sharing? What purpose does attacking a member serve? Remember, at the other end of the keyboard is a fellow human, don’t they deserve the same respect we all want?

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You’ll be presented with a second dialogue box to select the period of time and Viola, that members posts are hidden.

I find this feature useful for certain members whose prose are not only unhelpful but rarely contributes knowledge. It helps one speed through a topic faster and ignore clutter while getting to the good stuff. Yes, and I am sure that I am on some folks’ block lists too, :wink:which helps me as well. If they can’t see my posts, then they can’t replay and then I don’t have to deal with them either. This can be a self-balancing system that helps keep the peace. I urge folks to explore this feature.

Just a note: if you find yourself blocking actual contributors, as the OP posts demonstrated, then you might as well go to X or Reddit, because you will have deprived yourself of the value of this forum, which is the contributors.

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Golly gee wowsers. Far out. So then …

To be clear — THIS WAS NOT A REVIEW. I mean, come now; a single post with three photos and a summary rant? Settle down folks. Enough with the hate already.

My original post clearly stated that the filament from the first photo was NOT dried, at all. Directions were obviously not followed. I’m not sure why people felt the need to reiterate that as if I didn’t know. shrug

The second photo was from partially dried (obviously) with some mention of some length of time to get it that far and a some surprise added on the end. Why surprise? Well, because this is supposed to be PETG, not some version of Nylon 12 only worse. I digress.

The third photo was of print using fully dried, as incidentally evidenced under a microscope, seen with essentially zero steam bubbles, popped or otherwise. (There were maybe three or four but those could have been from effects other than water in the filament itself.)

I made no claims that this or that temperature over some or another time period should or should not be enough, whether recommended or otherwise. Mistakes were made in the OP resulting in subsequent confusion over what the drying temperatures and device actually were but WHO CARES?! OMG It’s doesn’t matter!

Dry is dry. Wet is wet. Steam bubbles are steam bubbles and they only happen when filament contains water. No steam bubbles, no water. Simple. For the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone would argue that. Print settings indeed! Oops. Digressed again.

In the end, the best possible print I could manage using BambuLab’s recommended settings for their own PETG HF product, remained in my opinion more or less the same as any other PETG print, with some stringing on internal curves etc. I am guessing the prints’ physical and chemical compatibility properties would be very similar to PETG Basic. It’s still Polyethylene Terephthalate being melted and squeezed through a hot nozzle at the end of the day.

Sure, it prints a little faster. I guess if the marginal overall decrease in print time matters to you more than having to wait 6-12 hours to dry the stuff before you even start the print, then, well, you do you. Have at it. Enjoy the matte finish but accept that there will still be some stringing not present on a PLA prints, especially on internal arcs.

Personally, PETG Basic prints with no more stringing for me, when it’s dry. Again, most people do not dry their filament and are unaware of the marginal improvement it can get them. Only people who experience poor printing even look for a solution. Most don’t even do that. Consequently, most people currently enjoying PETG printing do not own a filament dryer, let alone caring to. Because PETG-HF is REPLACING PETG Basic, they certainly will need one now — if they want to keep BambuLab as their PETG filament supplier.

Make no mistake! EVERYONE needs to dry this stuff before use and thoroughly. No exceptions. PETG HF is (subjectively) super sensitive to moisture — as much or worse than any other material, including Nylon.

Imagine an FDM print farm where they print PETG on hundreds of printers day and night. Now imagine they have to change to this “new and improved” version of PETG HF (because the previous version got discontinued) only to find they now need high temperature active drying at every station for every roll — and for what? A less shiny version of essentially the exact same thing? It’s absurd.

BambuLab. Please. Allow me to be among the first to beg you not to replace PETG Basic with this PETG HF stuff. If you feel a need to introduce a hydroscopic superior material, then how about working on a formular for PA 12 Nylon instead? PA outperforms PET in most every other way, does it not?

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No, you didn’t make a review. But you did post an opinion while using the word “testing” - and my point is that it’s unfounded as you have not tried to make it work sufficiently. You could and should have skipped the first two pictures. Since they are taken at a time before proper drying, they are to be expected - and only the last image is therefore usable for any diagnostics.

I see in another of your replies, that you’ve thrown out the entire remainder of the spool, so there’s no way for you to now verify any advice given. No you didn’t ask for any advice, but who wouldn’t like to save a $20+ roll of filament of this could be done without much effort?

As for the cumbersome drying requirement: Yes, it’s annoying that we have to wait for the PETG-HF to by dried. However, at a proper 65 ºC, 2-3 hours of drying was enough for me. I started using the first roll, while continuing to heat it at 65 ºC. I can dry 4 spools at a time in my oven stove, and 1 spool from a SunLu S2 on top of that. Another person in here wrote that the S2 can have issues with drying - but that’s due to the lack of a proper air intake and air outlet to circulate the air flow. This is easily remedied by creating a 1-2cm gap.

An FDM print farm will have something much more convenient than a normal house stove, and either print from dry boxes or active filament heaters.

I can’t say if it’s any worse than nylon, which is another of your claims. A proper review would measure their respective hydroscopic properties by weighing them before and after a given amount of time, where they’d be subjected to the same air humidity.

That final photo brings me to that comment I made about missing information about your filament profile and print profile. Because the final photo does not show bubbling - but only stringing. And this may be due to other factors, which are either related or directly influenced by these very parameters. Which you apparently don’t see any relevance in sharing.

You have now formed an opinion of PETG-HF which you’ll probably not change for the foreseeable time, no matter how many other people you about having success using it. That’s a shame, because the filament works very well and as I wrote earlier, comes very close to PLA in surface quality. This is not just my experience across multiple rolls of different colors - but between Facebook, Reddit and this place, I see others also getting these results. Whenever people have experienced issues like you, it’s either because they didn’t dry the filament or due to funky parameters/settings for either the filament, print profile or both.

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Thank you for sharing your experience.

We believe this is not representative of the quality of the new PETG HF filament, so we are looking to learn more about this case and find out what might have been the issue.

Can we continue this talk in private so we can understand what happened, so we can gather more info and find a solution?

Thank you

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That’s literally exactly what I said. If you had hit it with a torch, there wouldn’t be strands.

Exactly, follow the directions. Bambu has clearly directed us on when, what temp, and for how long to dry the filament. You didn’t follow the directions and therefor you experienced sub par results.

Which one is it? You did or didn’t say it was your eSun dryer? I read the whole thread, just because it’s not in the main post doesn’t mean it’s not relevant.

This post is literally your review on how terrible you think the filament is. It is a review my guy.

Put your phone camera up to the lens just like you do with your eye.

It is everything they say in my experience. I followed the directions and received great results. You might have received the same experience if you followed directions as well. I suggest you scroll down the ad listing a little more and read the specifications on how to dry the filament properly.

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