PLA prints are warping on the X1C

Hi,

I have been printing successful for quite some time, but a few weeks ago, my PLA prints started to warp. My printer is located in my garage where the ambient temperature is around 16 degrees C.

I am using Bambu Basic PLA with the default settings and I am preheating the chamber to about 22 degrees before I start to print. I just cleaned the build plate and I applied original Bambu glue.

I have added some pictures to show the problem. In this particular case I slowed the printer down to 100mm/s


In previous attempts I increased the temperature of both the heated bed and the nozzle to 45 and 230 degrees respectively. The higher temperatures fixed the issue in some cases, but it is annoying because I tend to forget to change it when slicing.

b.t.w. I am using an AMS.

What could be the problem here?

In ā€˜quite some timeā€™ - weeks\months? have you tried a new bed plate?
Is it cold plate? how old\how many printrs? - new sticker maybe needed?
If cold - hows the glue going?
Aftermarket plate?

Hi DruiD,

Thanks for the quick reply :slight_smile:

It started about 4 weeks ago. It is still the original cold plate. I bought the printer about a year ago I think. I print about one print a day on average. I havenā€™t tried a new plate yet.

Could the plate simply have worn out? I wouldnā€™t know how to recognize a worn plate.

The ā€œstickerā€ on the surface is disposable\consumable. Eventually, one assumes the ā€˜surfaceā€™ wears out - but i have no idea how to determine that. Assuming you have already tried cleaning it properly in washing detergent to get all oils and grease off, rinsinig it in hot water, etc etcā€¦ thats 365+ printsā€¦

You would have got a new sticker with youre printer (i did). I immediatly went to Bambuā€™s Textured PEI and Hot\Smooth PEI plates ass I hated dealing with glue etc - I am only about 2 months, wiht prolly 100 prints on the cold plate before I switched.

As a bed plate test - If you print a full bed test print ā€¦ its a few layers thick across the whole bed, you might find areas peeling off. if thats in the general area ytou normally print in (centre?) then likely maybe the bed sticker has had its day.

I havent used this one, but an example - (dont do test 2 - test 1 is what i mean)
https://www.printables.com/model/458112-bambu-lab-p1px1c-full-plate-first-layer-test-print

To test the bed plat sticker issue try moving the part on the bed plate and print it and see what happens.

I use a similar set-up and have observed similar issues. In fact, it is <10Ā°C where my printer sits.

Using the liquid glue rather than the glue stick helped somewhat as did of course keeping the chamber warm by having the lid and door closed. WIth low environmental temps, thereā€™s little chance of nozzle clogs with PLA in my case.
A further improvement came from using the textured PEI plate due to the higher bed temp (and hence also slightly higher chamber temps) as well as good adhesion without glue.

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Good idea. I tried but it look like the problem is exactly the same. Could still mean that the sticker needs to be replaced of course.

Iā€™ll give it a go, thanks.

I have 884 hours on my printer and while Iā€™ve used the textured plate more often than the cool plate, I didnā€™t feel like the sticker was losing itā€™s grip. I did drive the nozzle into it by forgetting to put the screws in after a nozzle change which necessitated a sticker change.
Replacing the sticker is pretty easy and is made much easier by using the tool that should be included with the built in files on the printer.
One thing Iā€™ve found that guarantees a corner or edge to lift is the aux fan. Itā€™s so reliable that Iā€™ve added a strip of painters tape across the top of the outlet to direct the air down and under the build plate for maybe the first 20 layers or so. This has pretty much eliminated any lift on that side. Of course, your picture shows it lifting on the other side. Maybe you run with the door open or thereā€™s a draft on that side if you have no enclosure?

Turn the auxiliary fan off. Had the same issue. Thatā€™s the only way I fixed it.

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I couldnā€™t get it to stay off on multi-color prints so I went caveman on it. Now I donā€™t have to remember, something i have trouble with being old :thinking:

I too have had a problem or two caused by the aux fan. Iā€™m usually letting it run at default settings but for massive pieces I suspect itā€™s better kept very low, like 10-20% or so. I figure not turning it off completely should help keeping the chamber fairly cool (with PLA) by moving cold air from under the bed up - just very gentle.

Then again I have no idea how many problems the aux fan saved me from when it IS running at default settings. BTW I noticed they put the presliced benchy with the bow pointing away from the aux fan. Turning it around should help with the 50Ā° bow overhang (the presliced benchy turns off ā€œslow down for coolingā€). Maybe they simply sliced that model before any aux fan?

I print my first layer at half speed with a build plate temp of 70C on the cool plate. At layer 2 I drop it to 65C, normal speeds. Doing this, I no longer need any gluestick, and it stopped ~80% of the warping issues Iā€™d get, the same type as in your picture. For long parts with a strong moment, Iā€™ll sometimes add a brim, which solves the rest of it.

I also try to angle parts so that there isnā€™t a flat face getting the brunt of the aux cooling. This seems to help print quality in general.

I donā€™t know why Bambu chooses such low plate temp defaults for so many of their options. I assume so that chamber heating over a long print is less of an issue, as the chamber fan itself is undersized (IMO). But you can skip a lot of problems by just running a hot first layer for good adhesion. Donā€™t worry about a part popping off due to cooling if you drop the plate temp after the first layer, either; as long as you stay above the softening temp, youā€™re fine.

[Edit] Your sticker looks practically new; I can tell youā€™ve taken good care of it. Wash it with dish detergent and water, and Iā€™m willing to bet itā€™ll run as good as new.

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Thanks, I gave it a try. It improve a bit but it did not completely solve it unfortunately.

Thanks. Unfortunately, this did not help. Iā€™m starting to think it is not the sticker

Enclosure is closed. But thanks for the help. I may just replace the sticker an see what happens.

I try to keep it clean. I also user alcohol to clean it. Could it be that the alcohol is causing the sticker to wear faster?

You might be right, wasnā€™t the AUX fan a option in the beginning?

You open the door alot lately? Thats pretty cold.

Have ypu ran bed leveling in a while?