Pros/Cons of the A1 vs P1P

I recently had my second printer, a Prusa MK3s break and I don’t think the cost of the repair is worth it, its very slow and the manual calibration is annoying at this point. Essentially I would have to replace the hotend.
I’m thinking of replacing the Prusa with a A1, but before I do I was wondering what I would lose by going with an A1 over the P1P?
The P1P has

  • a camera
  • not a bed slinger (why does this matter? Longevity? Speed?)
  • Slightly faster?
  • AMS for the P1P is enclosed which will keep the filament dry, in the summer the humidity might be an issue for the open spools of filament

Anything else that matters? Spool size for the A1 AMS? I have a bunch of Sunlu plastic rolls, not sure if they fit, they do in the enclosed AMS.

The a1 combo and extra plate are a little over $600, nice price point…

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I hope you mean the P1S (Combo). Anyway, the P1 series is able to connect up to 4 AMS units, which brings up to 16 colors / filaments. And the housing of the P1S gives you the option to print additional filaments.

For me the closed AMS unit and the option to add up to 3 more is the main reason to go with the P1 series.

I have an X1C and I don’t print materials I need an enclosure for often. I mainly like having a second printer so I’m not blocked when printing something that takes over a day.

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The value of the P1 series is the enclosure. If you are looking at the P1P, the A1 is probably the better choice, albeit a little slower and taking up a little more space. Also, the A1 will be flinging waste material all over. The AMS comparison is probably a coin toss. Just depends on what you prefer more, closed environment for the filament or compatibility with more types of spools and spool material.

The positives for the A1 revolve around it being newer. Better hot-end design (for maintenance), it should be a little quieter, build plate accessibility, better wipe mechanism, touch screen, and cost.

Sorry, I didn’t know this. In this case the A1 maybe the better / cheaper option but good choice.

Hi, I would takeover this thread rather then starting a new one. I’m absolutely new in 3d printing. I’m looking for either an a1 combo or a p1d.

My thoughts:
I dont really need ams (lite) at the right beginning.
I don’t know if printing PLA/PETG/TPU will fit all my future needs.
With the p1p i am able to build my own enclosure und upgrade to an „p1s“ for material like ABS and have a closed (nice looking) printer.
With the a1 I am limited in future materials and have no chance to get a closed system.

So benefits are:
A1: newer model, better display, already with asm, cheaper!
P1P: a bit more expensive but capable of upgrading to p1s with closed asm and nicely modded closed printer case.

Directly to the P1S is no option to me. If I really need asm etc I will upgrade later even it’s a bit more expensive.

So would you go with cheaper newer A1 or Bit older, but upgradable and then more versatile P1P?

I appreciate any feedback!

Thank you!

You said, that you don‘t know, if printing PLA, PETG and TPU will meet your future needs. So this means, the P1 series seems the best option for you. It‘s okay to say I don‘t need an AMS. But thinking on your future needs, the P1S is the better option than the P1P, because all the extras, you get with the P1S (fans, case, filter, cable chain) are around 75$. And also a self build enclosure costs at least 50$. With the P1S you get these including the case with glass door and top for 100$ more than the P1P.
By the way I have a P1P with a self build enclosure and upgraded with cable chain, MC board and AUX fan and I love it. But I bought all this before the P1S was available. And I have also started without an AMS. Since I have the AMS, I don‘t want to miss it anymore. Today I would go with the P1S Combo. :slight_smile:

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You won’t be able to get a new A1 combo for the next few months. So you have to choose between A1 Mini and P1P. With the A1 Mini, the choice of materials is limited, the print area is smaller, but the print quality is better. It makes less noise and the display is better. I own A1 Mini + P1S and I would say there is no either/or, but each printer has its own application area.
Btw., I wouldn’t do without the AMS or AMS Lite, it’s really useful.

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Well, I did not concern the availability yet. The A1 mini is out of focus because of the size. Thanks for feedback.

I get your point. But with the p1s right of the start I don’t have a custom design enclosure. The mentioned fan, cable chain etc is separately available so I can really upgrade to p1s not only in the enclosure but also in inner technique parts.

Is it possible to individually mod the case of the p1s too?

Normally yes. Simply remove the side panels and put your own on it. The most users, which build their own enclosure, used the glass door and top too. :slight_smile:

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The only bad news about upgrading to the P1S after purchase is it may cost you a lot more. Its only $100 extra new, but is $150+ currently with the possibility of going up to $255 in the future. So be aware, it could cost a substantial amount to upgrade. Also note, printing a custom enclosure will cost you at least an additional $30 in filament. So all up, going with a P1P and later deciding to upgrade will cost significantly more.

That doesn’t mean its a bad idea, just be aware of the costs associated. Bambu can’t keep the kit in stock, so that should tell you how many P1P owners felt like that’s the way the printer should have been. Also note, high demand suggests to Bambu that they can raise the price on the kit to help keep it in stock. So just go in to this understanding what you are getting into and any decision you make will be the right one for you.

One other thing to complicate the situation a little further, Bambu appears to be close to a new machine cycle. That means the X2 and P2 series could be a year away or a few months. Personally, I’d guess its around the year mark, but it could be sooner. Just keep that in the back of your mind when making the decision.

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Ok, I am a really real beginner, and don’t know any of the lingo. I do know that I purchased a few plans that are STLs I think. I am retired and have a few hobbies and am looking at 3D printing. I am looking for an entry lvl printer and was directed to bambu or creality. Creality seems a bit unreliable from the reviews I have seen, mostly hit and miss to get a good machine. Bambu has a much better reputation and I have actually picked out these two and I have no idea what would be best for a beginner who knows nothing like me.

If you’re a beginner, you don’t want to throw money at the wall and you would prefer the convenience of “it just works” then the Bambu Lab printers are a great place to look.

I own a Creality CR-6 SE and whilst it has all the bells and whistles for a Creality (like excellent automatic bed levelling) it’s no Bambu Lab.

For price, you should look at the A1 mini and A1.

They’re essentially the same printer with different build volumes. The A1 mini is 180x180x180mm and the A1 is 256x256x256mm.

If you can afford it, I would strongly recommend the AMS lite in the bundle.

Whilst you may not think you would wish to print up to four colours in the same model, you will when you try and it’s a massive convenience even if you rarely print with multiple colours.

The AMS lite means up to four colour filaments at the same time and/or having more than one identical filament at the same time that stops using one that runs out and automatically starts using the next one of the same type. Excellent for bigger prints or simply not having to handle the process yourself.

If you want to print materials that have more requirements to use them, like; hotter beds and nozzles, enclosed chambers and filters, the P range is the place to start, take that up a notch and you have the X range.

The A1 mini and A1 will happily give you access to PLA, PETG, and TPU.

In English PLA is the most common filament, PETG has some strengths like a bit more give and less likely to snap under pressure, however, newer PLA types like PLA+ mean you do t often need to venture into PETG. Finally, the flexible friend, TPU. For things that need to bend, TPU is the way to go. Those are the most common and easiest filaments to use.

If you want parts you print to work under increased pressure, higher temperatures, replacement plastic car parts under the hood then you are looking at things like ASA, Carbon Fibre (CF), ABS and many more. The P range will do most, the X range even more.

i have both and love both i love the ease of use of the ams lite but i live in az so hardly any humidity issues or wet filament, some spools are too big for ams lite but there are already adapters, i have found some too small ones that were more of a problem .

A1 is way easier to work on and still prints awesome for a bedslinger the gantry is built durable , this fast switch hot ends are another plus.

Im ready to get another a1 as pricepoint is incredbible for the value

I’m replacing my A1 (not mini) with a P1S and two AMS units. The product recall of the v1 device is when I decided to turn the replacement into an upgrade and paying the considerable difference in cost. I’m not replacing the A1 because I don’t like it, it’s great.

Weirdly, the A1 also has the largest print volume of any Bambu Lab printer as the P & X series printers have a small inaccessible area of the plate the A1 doesn’t share.

The main reason is for the ability to have up to 16 (with a max of 4 connected) different filaments available at any one time.

For me this is only because I want access to more than one AMS. This isn’t common and most people believe four filaments are more than enough.

For me it’s a hobby, I do not have any commercial needs and no need for any additional material types beyond PLA, PETG & TPU, it is the extra AMS units. If my health holds out a little longer, maybe all four AMS units.

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