Question for the group. Why buy Bambu filament over Amazon vendors

For sure, and Bambu has also often been compared to apple… and I’ve never really understood why. I would compare the Bambulab strategy more with the Creality and Prusa strategy and the end will be the same, just a matter of time… OK, they started out differently with the X1, but today there are hardly any differences in there strategy, except for the X1 but this is a long long time ago… or which promises were fulfilled for the P1P or the P1S users before they ran to the next possible customers?

When the next one comes, everyone will run into the arms of the savior as quickly as everyone runs to Bambu. Yes, it’s always better to sell the quality product, but, well… Another topic and I’m digressing again. However and in any case, I don’t do any more printer updates, may in the end I’ll still have to use chiped filament only :v: :rofl:

What was this with this Bigtreetech anouncment and this protocoll issues - well to be the top saler you need trust of costumers and to have more than 6 month “under develoment” and we will impruve costumer services will not help to get recogniced as “standing abouve” :wink: If you take the cheaper route, you have to live with the consequences - the customers you appeal to always come. So if they hit the prices, the customers will come calling for prices and then they have to deliver what they set out to do…

It`s always the same - developer and startups usually have the problem to change there company from development into the company with trust. Because developers are there to develop, that is their strength… And they will not hand over the helm to the new captain who will then lead the ship safely into the new waters that they do not know. They then just want to do the same thing again and again until the ship sinks…

That is indeed fascinating. Thanks for sharing. Doing a quick analysis though, I can already see games that Bambu is engaging in.

What’s up with Amazon.com.au BTW? I’m wondering if this experience that follows is normal.

I tried your Amazon link and was embargoed by my geographical IP. I had to go behind a VPN and show an AU IP before it would display the page. What’s more, one can’t view this Bambu store unless logged in. It did recognize my US Amazon credentials though. This smacks of either Bambu putting in geographic restrictions or possibly AU Government protectionism. I say that because the EU Amazon sites have no such restrictions. It could also be an indicator that Bambu has sub-contracted to a local firm who either does not have export licenses or Bambu is restricting their ability to sell outs of AU. My primary reason for going down that rabbit hole was I wanted to see how deep the Bambu page went. By exploring these restrictions it an yield insight as to whether this is a “Bambu Corporate” venture or third party licensee.

Analysis of the Bambu Amazon store

As of now, there are only 16 SKUs listed on their web page. It also looks like their playing the “Amazon Coupon Game”. That’s where a seller who isn’t quite all-in to the Amazon marketplace, rather than just give you their best price, instead goes for the lazy person who doesn’t pay attention and just clicks buy. It’s the click-through equivalent of “Making you sing for your supper”. Most of the time when one see’s coupons it’s for clearance purposes or because the seller wants to balance an overstock situation. This is no different when the grocer discounts baked goods that are nearing their expiration date. I have no problem with that unless, as in Bambu’s case, ALL of their products have coupons. Just discount the thing already and stop trying to trick customers into paying a higher price. ranting

How Bambu Lab AU Commerce Site compares to the US site

It also looks like Bambu AU is not seeing the same number of Stockouts on their page as we are seeing in the US. This is only significant because it’s yet another “tell” that they are struggling with balancing their global inventory.
Bambu AU page - All the common colors(Black, white, red, grey etc) are stocked-out

The US page

What’s also interesting is that Bambu is not doing parity with Amazon customers. That’s just one more example of Gamesmanship.

Not only do they force users to click down into the product page to hunt for the coupon but they also charge what looks like a $10 AUD premium over the drilled-down discounted Amazon price versus the Non-Membership Bambu Australian price.

Admittedly I know absolutely nothing about the ecommerce market in Australia so maybe these practices I mention above are standard fair. Perhaps some of our friends from down under can educate me. However, I can tell you this sort of shιt does not fly in the US. Customers will bristle at the fact that they’re getting screwed for doing business over Amazon.

How one Bambu competitor markets on Amazon US compared to Amazon AU

Here’s an example of what I mean by playing pricing games that generally piss off educated consumers.

I purchased a spool of Overture this week on Amazon. This spool in AU costs $25.99 for Amazon Prime customers.

Contrast that with the listing off Overture’s US site and as of this posing 28.99 AUD = 19.06 USD (they do not offer International shipping) So we see pricing parity here as far as Overture is concerned. They even discount it another $3 AUD for Prime Members.

We can even see that Overture is now discounting their inventory to $17.99 this week on Amazon US versus what they charge on their site. It should be noted that Amazon Prime customers get free freight. If you are sharp-minded you would have seen the extra coupon, I paid $15.99 and $17.99 two days apart after clicking on the coupon. (BTW: This is way above my $14 threshold but I am doing a bakeoff right now between filament brands.)

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Oh welcome to the Australian NANNY-net, we’ve been “protected” from nasties for a long time by our guvernment “firewall”. They’re usually 10steps behind and haven’t fully wrapped their head around VPN’s so a percentage of us breeze along for the most part. We pay tax on imported Internet purchases now to protect a certain big retailer who everybody hates whined in the right ears. In the case of Amazon US/Aust, I usually have to log into the US site (no VPN needed) to find certain items that won’t appear in the Aus library but have no issue with the transaction but as above I usually pay a premium plus an outlandish delivery as its not my home-site.

The Australian consumer is split down the middle here, only some are frugal enough to search out that elusive discount. I’m sure this is worldwide though, on some items you can pay many times the retail price if you’re in a rush and don’t know the actual recommended price. For the average Joe looking to buy Bambu, its still better to buy off them direct rather than Amazon but you have to wait and shop wisely for free delivery (spend over $75).

You’ve been caught by their tricky bait’n’switch landing page selection of “refills”, the full spool price and are only starting to get SOME reasonable stock but it may last a day or a week, still not anywhere near stable enough for the monthly reorder if you go through certain colours. I don’t have this issue with any other supplier. The $35.99 BL price is for a refill, full spools are $42.99.

My usual goto, their Amazon price is stable and discounts are frequent enough to double up on some orders. Reasonable quality PLA/PETG is roughly $30 average across Amazon.au, of course there are some good $25 spools to be had if you know where to shop. Its pretty rare to get under $20 for very basic filament, and often you get caught by not seeing “500g” half spools lol.

At the moment, I buy Overture regularly off Amazon for delivery first, convenience second, and cost close third.

Much of what you’ve written could easily be true. BL could wisely be having multiple sources for their product. They could be buying from both Sunlu & eSun & Polymaker all at the same time.
And while doing that, they my be contracturally demanding that the product that is boxed and shipped with the BL logo must meet quality standards that exceed those levels that the manufactures are shipping to other sources.
This happens quite a bit in the computer chip market. Those chips that test perfect are sold to certain customers at higher prices. Those that meet a certain lesser standard are priced less and can be only shipped to certain customers who do not want to pay top dollar, etc. The manufacturer will always have several levels of product that meet specs differently due to environmental conditions beyond the choice of the manufacturer but the at the same time, the manufacturer wants to seel all of his output for whatever price he can based on the quality demands of his customer.

The process you are referring to is called “binning”.

This is the industry I work in and the only way to achieve binning is to perform parametric testing on every part. It would be cost prohibitive for a consumable like filament. NVidia can get away with it because when your product is valued at an average of $250 per square centimeter and the price can vary up to 300% depending on measured chip clock speed, it’s well worth it to bin your parts in order to maximize profits. The sale price of a spool is quite a different matter and the variance in profit margin wouldn’t pay for the automated test equipment required to bin the product.

LED manufacturers do this too to a lesser extent. For their high-end LED’s where they charge a premium for color accuracy, they can afford to bin the product but those companies also design their own automation equipment so incorporating detections and measurement equipment into the inspection process is not as cost prohibitive.

This video shows just how low-tech filament manufacturing actually is. We are talking garage-shop operations that are barely into the industrial age which is part of why the end-product is so cheap.

BTW: In a previous life I used to sell the PLC and measurement equipment they have in the YouTube video. You could put together such an apparatus for under $20K with the skill that today’s college graduate might have. Contrast that to an ASML wafer fab machine costing in the $100 millions and you can quickly see the disparity in capital equipment costs between chips and filament.

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Amazon, PETG for as low as $13.99… and your standard quality PETG from all I have used. Haven’t had any filament that was really that much better than any other… only in sheen and look.

What filament winder do you recommend? I need to move some filaments to AMS compatible spools. Tried just by hand, terrible results. Jean

This one if you have a cordless drill and don’t mind spending a few dollars for bearings.
https://www.printables.com/model/466883-pastamatic-filament-spool-winder-for-bambu-lab-x1c
I also use the extra clisp to help hold the pieces in place
https://www.printables.com/model/499110-pastamatic-retrofit-for-better-target-spindle-rete
https://www.printables.com/model/620162-male-spindle-clip-and-handle

Just getting started with this hobby and have trouble printing the PETG. Looks like you have it figured out. Would you mind sharing the settings you use for this? Thanks

I just bought 16 spools from there (under the Fremover banner) and spool #1 didn’t make it through the first layer before it clogged the bejesus out of my A1 mini. A quick check with the micrometer showed 1.89mm-1.92mm, so it’s no mystery why. I sent an email to them. We’ll see what happens on Monday. Wish I would’ve found this thread before I ordered…

I use Bambu filament almost exclusively(PLA.PETG,ABS).I have had zero issues that where not self inflicted. I am about 660 hours of print time since august. For me the Bambu filament works well and does not take forever to dry i have been using the default filament profiles and they work amazing for me. I own 3 AMS units so RFID is a must. For me ordering filament from Amazon can be hit or miss on quality. with my trainwreck of a Creality printer it was a nightmare. That being said i have ordered non Bambu filament when i need a color Bambu does not offer (PETG Ryobi green) but it is always from reputable manufacturers (Overture). It was still painful to use with AMS and I have to print slower than I do with the Bambu PETG.

MatterHackers is your typical business being run in a commercial/industrial complex. I thought I’d try them out with some of my business with the mind set to give local business my business but it turns out that their customer service sucks. I bought 1 X1 Carbon on a Monday, another X1 Carbon 2 days later, but while they do recognize my phone number when I call, they hide behind the phone attendant. Getting a return phone call does not happen. They only respond by email. And sometimes that email is 2-4 days later. I might as well be dealing with China and get the free 6 month membership deal for discounted filament pricing.

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I haven’t committed to a brand yet but what I am sick of is AMS issues. For third party sellers with filament on cardboard spools, I simply have to use an adapter and I am finding the process painful. If I don’t I have feeding issues etc. today I had to disassemble my extruder to get rid of a clog and I will also need to take apart the AMS due to filament breaking and falling deep into the unit.
I guess I also wouldn’t need to calibrate BL filaments. I am actually making sales so am considering switching to BL for greater consistently. In AU the price differences are not so great, the cheapest filament I can get is 18 per kg or 21 per kg for a greater colour selection (add 10 for delivery - not Amazon where the cheapest filament is about 25 per kg). With membership, the Bambu refills are 26 each but I am running out of spools. Decisions decisions…

I have been using creality petg with good success. And comes with plastic spools

So my actual price is (full coil, so no refills at all) 14 Euro per Kg on PETG, 19 Euro per Kg on ABS and 27 Euro per Kg for PLA carboniesed.

Delivery times to your own door: Orders placed by 9 a.m. on the same day, everything else on the morning of the following day.

Delivery costs: Orders over 50 euros are free of charge, under 50 euros the delivery costs are 9 euros.

It is a local supplier - the prices do not include membership, it is even accessible to private individuals at any time… This is an offer from one of the three largest Swiss online retailers specializing on the Swiss market…, as already mentioned elsewhere - in Switzerland online trading is not decreasing (one of the very few places) and the people who do it are highly professional and high end automated.

Im using Kingroon PETG from Amazon and im just using the “Bambu PETG Basic” setting. I think it prints just as good as the Bambu stuff and it’s only $10.75 per roll when you buy the bulk pack.

For me, I like knowing exactly what colors am using during my print in the slicer.

I would happily use Bambu filament if I could get it. I’m in the UK and every time I look at the UK store, nearly every colour of filament is out of stock. When I checked today, out of 20 colours listed (PLA), only 3 are in stock, and they’re the ones that nobody wants anyway

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You can buy the non-“high speed” filaments for cheaper, but if you buy the ones rated as “high speed”, “Hyper”, “Fast” or the like, the spread between that price and the BBL prices shrinks by a lot, provided you’re buying the 4+ units you need to get BBL’s lowest price. You may have to accept a slower print speed with the cheaper non-BBL filaments which aren’t high-speed rated, and maybe that’s a trade-off you’re willing to accept, but just be aware that may be part of the deal.

I’m presently using a non-BBL ABS that’s enhanced to withstand higher temperatures. I ran the Orca slicer calibrations on it, and in theory it can support a maximum volumetric volume of 25mm3/sec according to that flow test, but in practice, it fails at higher print speeds even if the actual flow is lower. So, I would count this as an example of what I’m talking about. I still use it, but I had to lower the print speeds to get good results on real world models.

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I dumped Prime over a year ago and haven’t missed it a bit. A few things killed it for me. First the price raise to $140 made it not a value to me. I do not want any of the other services other than shipping.

I will not pay for a streaming service that destroys Tolkien like Rings of Power did. To get me back on Prime would have to decouple the video service.

Prime shipping isn’t what it used to be. Before covid, everything was 2 days or less. Now they’re still using covid as an excuse to not ship everything quickly. I was running into cases where “Prime” shipping took weeks to come in. Some of these were on Amazon Basic items. I’m in the 5th largest city in the US, so it’s not a location issue. So I’m not even getting the main benefit that I want out of it.

Competition. I’m shopping locally and at other online retailers more now. It’s good for them to have competition and I’ve been getting some items at lower prices with free shipping. Like all of the networking gear I recently bought was about $10 per AP cheaper at B&H and they gave free 2 day shipping.

I haven’t even really missed it much with Amazon either. $35 order generally gets free shipping which takes 4 or 5 days to come in. Generally I’m not buying things that I have to have today. With a hair of foresight I pool the everyday items together before I run out and I’m all set.

With all of that I’ve spent $22* in shipping for the last 17 months for the couple items that I had to rush vs the $140 for Prime. I’m ahead without feeding the machine.

*that’s the gross number. Effectively it’s about $5 because on a $14 item that I payed $3 for overnight shipping on didn’t arrive for 5 days. It was an item I needed the next day so I called up customer support and gave them a piece of my mind. I ended up getting refunded for both the shipping and the item. It was great for reinforcing my decision though.