I will most likely buy it when its released. The only thing I didnt want was a copy of the existing x1 but with everything perfected. Only to use all new plugs or something. I have 8 ams units, a maxed out p1p and an x1c. both with dual aux fan/bento box setup. I built an awesome cabinet for it all and have bought around 45 rolls of filament from bambu aswell as every replacement part you can imagine. Im no hater. I understand what you guys are saying. The best part is that so far, bambu has done exactly what I like. Not what you guys say they should be doing. Otherwise, all 4 printers wouldnt be built on the same frame and of mostly the same parts. If you want to spend thd money, theres an upgrade path all the way from p1p to x1c (minus lidar unless they started selling it). You guys are arguing about appliances that everybody owns while im talking about a hobby that at this point in time, is rarer than bowling or kiting lol. It isnt a cell phone either. And nothing is new. Its all the same stuff being borrowed from other companies. Its not where you think it is. It did just recently get much better because of klipper, input shaping etc.
I also help people on here whenever I can. I dont just jump in to bash others. The thing im probably guilty of is being anti fan boy. I try to wake people up when they see a mirage. Not every other printer company sucks because one happens to be ahead today.
If another companybcame out with a drastically better printer than the bambu tomorrow, in a week you would be on that forum talking about how much bambu sucks lol
Printers wont come to the masses until theres a near zero chance of them burning down your house. Every single person I try and get into the hobby, brings up the risk of fire. They dont ask how fast they can print a tug boat. If you want a machine for the masses, build in fire supression.
@silver118822
Did you have the 3 pro? I really want to mess with one but the price is high for something I may not use long term. The filament splicing is a pretty cool idea if someone could perfect the timing. Maybe a short purge at the splice point or something.
Ive got a P2Ps, was fairly pleased with it at the time, much preferred it to the earlier Prusa MMU2 as more reliable and purge/prime block was much neater and therefore less problematic than the MMU2. But getting them timing right was a challenge, particular as I tried to get it working on an IDEX which was tricky. One of the biggest issues was speed - it couldnāt keep up with a fairly slow Purse MK3s or IDEX printer - so the printer had to be slowed down for the P2P to keep up. Another issue is if the splices break there isnāt any way built in to recover the print - so you have to start again.
I thought so too and the printer that came to mind before Bambulab Carbon X1 was the Qidi i-Fast (2600 USD). The 360mm was really very interesting but also not enough. Then I had to say I buy the X1 and let QIDI beside (and the price difference wasnāt the only final reason that X1 won and Prusa always looks too expensive to me). ABS, ASA over 256mm when will that happen? And if so, I can solve it differently becouse not everything has to be 3D printedā¦What I can do with a 400 x 400 mm printer 500 x 200mm would be massively more interesting - 360mm to short as well but the belt printers are just not ready yet (or I`m may just too spoiled by Bambulab :-).
A smaller printer that can always be replaced quickly is also interesting. Even 210x210 is may to big too since I have the X1 and so many parts that you really need it twice in this size, who has that?
Is 210 x 210 not to big? We once did a calculation for a third world project - the result was that reliable printers are massively too expensive (Prusa). Other projects are simply massively financially more interesting compared to the income of a 3D printing farm. And surprisingly that the energy costs for operating the printing plate sizes for part size were too high for possible parts in a 3D printing farm. We were really looking for something with 150x150 if not 100 x 100mm to get there with the energy costs. There are already enough ideas for automatic removable plate systems, but for a print farm, wouldnāt printers with a maximum of 100 x 100 or 150 x 150mm not be the most interesting? Donāt forget that the things also have to be fabricated and you spend a lot of money on printing plate sizes that then remain unproductively heated, maintenance and consumpt space.
And in the third world country case, the printer must be reliable and produce parts for a maximum of 1 USD at a profit. This means purchasing filament (shipping costs) is no longer an option and he has to be able to process filament from PET bottles at min. 255Ā°C on a printing plate of max. 100 x 100 mm (on a reasonably reliable printer and that doesnāt currently exist in that size at all as well).
And finally, I have no sympathy for companies that sell printers for 600 USD and more and donāt even install a power supply that automatically switches between 110V and 240V - how much did they save? 0.2 euros per printer sold? A very clear sign of how someone thinks and act. Something new every 3 months with 0 innovation and only if they really have no other choice.
Hank, I thoroughly enjoyed your reply. I have rarely found anything that required over 300 MMs of build plate space. I have the CR-30 and like you said, it is temperamental. I am so done with years of troubleshooting. I agree as to being spoiled by Bambu, and by God, we should be spoiled. And by spoiled, I mean we actually get what we are paying for. We are the ones who have spoiled so many $600.00-a-printer companies for almost a decade, paying for the privilege to fix their incomplete machines.
I think that at this point, with so many manufacturing companies making extensive use of 3D printing technology, calling this technology nascent or experimental serves only as an excuse for companies (Bambu Lab excluded) to charge a lot for very little.
I agree with your point on power cost. My 3D printers are solar panel and Powerwall fed.
I already felt it. Significant investments (relative) without reasoning can result in a bad feeling afterwards. My way to deal with this is by what I call the ādating periodā. I prefer to wait, read about it, and see if my interest persists after this period. If so, I buy it; otherwise (most of the time) I am happy to pass it.
In my opinion, todayās 3D printing technology (the new BL printer features are undisclosed) is far from being a mass product.
Those are all great examples. Most (not all) car owners rely on specialised HR to solve any problem with the vehicle or for scheduled maintenance. If a phone is faulty, there are simple troubleshooting procedures that do not involve tools, neither open electronics, nor use of technical equipment and, above all, safe. Donāt get me wrong, I already participated in rebuilding a combustion engine and was stupid enough to repair my washing machine. And I know many others have lived challenging experiences. But I am a nerd.
Even if she knew how, I could not imagine my mother having a 3D printer in the living room and doing a cold pull before bed; she is comfortable driving a car and using a phone and washing machineā¦ I may have a negative view of thisā¦
I wish to see the day such printer is released (20th?). BL seem to have the will and know-how to make it a reality.
It depends on your use. The 256 fits my needs as a hobbyist. I would love to have a vast area a few times and often only use a smaller size.
Regarding power costs, the only power consumption breakdown that I saw showed that the bed exceeded 60%. If true, Prusa XLās concept of using multiple individual cells can be a practical solution, i.e. only heating the printing region.
@arekxyz, thanks for sharing. Is there any further info /leak on the Hall switchboard assembly Extruder Filament Sensor?
I started by being fooled by one that printers (cheaper) and high reputation uTubers reviews ā¦ I also felt like a breath of fresh air when I got my X1CC. BL printers were and are game-changingā¦ despite all the critics, some unknown players come into the market with products that effectively address years of problems.
I am quite happy with my X1C. I just ordered the AMS. Like many other things I own, itās a tool to get a job done and it does it very well with little fuss. Backward compatibility is great and Iām happy of course if I can upgrade performance. But Iām not going to feel put out if itās not backward compatible. I will keep using the tool I have until it wears out or a new tool comes along that gives me capability I do not presently have that is worth paying for a new tool. Until then, I am happy with what I have and the performance meets my needs. I honestly would prefer they break backward compatibility if it will allow for a very significant leap in performance.
Yeah! 500x200xwhatever is way more interesting than a cube. The only thing I donāt understand is, Iām having trouble with ASA warping on 256mm so is it even possible to use 500mm for anything other than PLA (which Iām not interested in)?
I use 3DXMax ASA. Both carbon fiber and vanilla variants. I dry before printing and use the default generic ASA profile with no issues on the engineering plate with Bambu glue stick. No adhesion or warpage issues on X1C with door closed and top glass in place. Very good layer adhesion.
Thanks for posting this, it makes me feel better about the P1S combo i just ordered. I figured there was no way they would supercede it while it was still listed as new in the store, and the x1c was always out of my reach, so an improved model would also be. The a1 mini interests me only because i want to see everyone have access to this technology if they want!.
Get new printer 2 months ago, i dont use much color in 1 print cause of filament lost soā¦ i hope this is an upgrade that would be logical. We have a Ferrari with a very bad color system, i cross fingers, otherwise Iāll be very confused with Bambu Lab
A while back while swapping out a hot and I broke one of the plugs that the hot and wires goes into. Had to wait about a week for a new board and then get a neighbor to help me change it. It would be nice if we could swap out hot ends without all the wires.
I also think that bambu designed their printers to not be obsolete. Everything is upgradable.
I recently got x1c + ams with several hotend assembleys to play with and have some backup on hands. Please donāt tell me that I got something after saving for several months thatās gonna be outdated in a few weeksā¦
