Magneto X 16 minute benchy.
looks great and very tempting, with no belts and pulleys, good speed and using OrcaSlicer⌠however, at 2.000 USD price + shipping costs (without adding the required
spare parts & accessories) and with a long, very long waiting listâŚIâm not that sure⌠Rather wait a bit longer and see what their users have to say after a few monthsâŚ
With all my heart I want to believe but I so thought the A1 mini was. Going to be the X1 large format and got my hope up, then again for the X1E so Iâm not expecting anything this time, better then the disappointment lol
Youâre right, there was once a topic here which fits best to this Bambulab topic. It was called âlove-hate relationshipâ.
There are things you love about the X1 and there are things you hate - but somehow the things I hate on were never really improved just deteriorates from model to model. Of course, if I got the printers for free, I might see them with different eyes. Of course, if i get the printer cheaper so that I could get one or get one more, I might look at them differently too⌠But !?! - I - !?! never saw what I would pay for next⌠And this somehow just makes so upset that I really will love to leave Bambulab. The others donât even have to be better, they just have to get a little closer, they donât even have to catch up⌠and even if Bambulab shows up by solving all my problems⌠sorry i dont want do 2 years with them to go thrue the same thing again⌠becouse Bambulab just âdid it againâ and âis the best since sliced breadââŚ
And the only alternative how check up so I really like to change made the spool holder on the back even much worse⌠they put it into a dryer for a 1kg spool on the top. If the spool holder is on the back, well, spend 25 euros and you have a filament holder that is good than everthing out of the box on any printer and will survive the next 8 printers⌠there is not that much to complain about. But how do you loosen a fully integrated filament holder that is much too small?
I think there are a lot of them coming now - not just the Magneto. Well, I would love this mainternance free guide rails of the Magneto X but I really have no idea which printer I should get now, since the X1 still has super power⌠which I Love by all the things which i hate:
That`s the lidar on the square of somewere by 250 x 240mm with a height of 250mm - and the print cancellation if something happens without having to constantly check, without having to wait until the first layer is printed - wich was needed lasttime today becouse I was gone before the nozzle was at 120 degrees⌠but someone will solve this in this year too and this will by my next printer:
Thanks for sharing⌠the mechanical system seems promisingâŚit answers many usersâ criticisms, such as Klipperâs use and large size. Yet, I donât see any trigger that makes me consider dropping the X1C and buying it.
More reliable reviews are needed, especially about the accuracy improvement with engineering-grade materials (larger nozzle).
@Sibes991 As a curiosity, would the magneto size be enough? I donât have an idea about what an XL should be.
@Hank, you already seem frustrated. I cannot see any printer with similar performance, even at a higher cost. Yes, a new printer will come⌠the question is, what BL will come up for the 2nd gen?
I am pretty happy with the X1C⌠my only stepback relates to their business approach regarding support. This weakness may be explored by other competitors soon⌠Note that I never had a significant issue with the printer or BL.
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@JayZay, properly right in regarts to of frustrated thing 
Well regarding with similar proformance, I m agree with you and think that the X1C can still keep up or has its advantages against of the opponents.
But the outstanding times are definitely gone - now there are still isolated core competencies in which the X1C has been overtaken in segments but not over all but the overhauls are becoming more and more tempting. I donât think that a 2 series version will ever be at the top like its predecessor version - the X1C. May im wrong on this which is happen oftenâŚ
- Snapmaker J1S got on sale and a dual has benefits were a AMS never can reach.
- Phrozen Arco - Hugh question if it`s AMS will focus on TPU as the printer.
- Overall maintenance of the Magneto X one with easily accessible printheads, maintenance free rails and an absolute dream of a building volume.
- S1 FLsun could be an overnight printer and awesome permanent printing - easy to quickly change print head. So may the Formula 1 printer with may damn short pit stops. With changing the entire print head and not just the nozzle
- Creality marketing director announced the color change in April (conformation link at the end) - well, they do having a long time timeing which fits to the Co Print 3D timing⌠we will see. But actually also uninteresting and overslept for too long - So thatâs a superfluous note already.
- and letâs leave out the spaghetti monitoring announced for the QIDI, T1, P1P and P1S - in 3D language, âin developmentâ may starting to means it will never comes. Last time confirmed by, I think it was Ankermakerâs color change - but I could be wrong on this.
I donât really want to discuss this in detail, but which Bambulab development released after the X1C will survive the next 3 to 6 months? And the list of competing products that compete with these products is much longer. I could get this with the P1P/P1S but however⌠after this it just become a waste of resources for a segment that is already so flooded. Well we will see and may: I`m wrong which is happen often⌠and ultimately not my problem. But I got this feeling since i saw the A1 mini first time and it looks more and more that I was right in the long view. And all the things what popped into my head within a few seconds become more and more confirmed. Even the forum is becoming more and more basic - also what popped into my head within a few seconds after first view of the A1 mini.
Who delivers it is bought. Since i do not look for a football club - I look for a reliable partner who take care of my needs. And a manufacturer donât poke around in other peopleâs gardens for other customers. And if he gets support with something he canât do himself, he also accepts the help of a third party so that his product better meets my needs - Bigtreetech Panda Touch.
Resource information because of the statement about Creality:
we need a x1 zoom it will shoot the poop out the poop chamber
I donât know whether or not itâs true, but I read somewhere that scaling a corex-y up to longer XY dimensions gets tricky because the belt becomes longer and therefore more stretchy and therefore less accurate. Well, because of its linear motors the peopoly magneto wouldnât have that kind of challenege, and so it seems like it would be a lot easier to make it bigger. It certainly does look like where the future might be heading, provided the costs are manageable.
There is nothing creality can do to get me to buy there JUNK ever again.
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I totally agree. Did Creality buy peopoly or something? I certainly hope not.
Iâm as well very interested in the Magneto. The technic is well known and in the (very) high price machinery it is already implemented since a few years. Peopoly now found a way to do it for a much better price. I am mad at myself because i didnât sign up early enough 
Letâs see what Bambu will present as their next flagship.
My opinion is, that all the others are more or less copies. Some not too bad and some others very cheap and useless. Bambu didnât reinvent the wheel. The mechanics (Core XY, carbon rods, âŚ) are nothing new. The parts they use are not new developments and some of them seems to be even not the best quality (fans) or bad material mixture (carbon rod with aluminum sleeve). But they spent a lot of time in investigation in the existing Software. They left the bad parts, take the good parts of all existing software, put them together and optimise them. So they (and we) were able to produce fast prints with a very high quality. Up to now, no other manufactorer can do this or only for a much higher price. I donât wonder, that they do everything to hide and protect their own knowledge. Thatâs the part why they sell a lot and become kind of role model within only one year. You can compare this quite well with beginning of Apple (as already mentioned by others). Apple didnât developed anything new. They only take existing parts and put them together in a way, nobody did before.
Thatâs my personal sight of the things and I am happy with my Bamboo.
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If you watch a YouTuber called Ivan Miranda, he has built some very big coreX-Y printers, and the prints look good.
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It is so much fun to watch Ivan work on his projects.
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Itâs always amazing what ideas Ivan comes up with, I didnât know the clock yet 
Ones in a life time I will get time to do somthing like this too or will sit with a fishing rod for a 1500 USD cone in the Caribbean or the Chinese Sea, but then in the Philippines or Taiwan rather than in China or IndiaâŚ
Makes me wonder why most people are looking for larger printers? What are your reasons?
For me: The dimension 400mm or longer (at 200-300mm wide) would be interesting. Below 350mm it would not get my interessts at all. But actually only for house renovations since as always, what you could buy doesnât fit in 95% of cases or what you need simply doesnât exist. But anything less than 400mm wouldnât do much good and would just create more work than could otherwise be solved. On the other hand by 400mm - that would quickly be worth 2000 USD dollars as long you do not need to count on 2 years only and the machine can work independently by its own. Well I know, there are for 4000 USD however, time will solve and way taking this risk on my sholders if time will solfe this by itself⌠and in the meantime, there are also other things to do. So thereâs no reason for a large Bedslinger to end up in the bin and runs on 6 x $2 rollers instead of 2 x $20 to 40 slides and thatâs without Spaghetti monitoring by a sice where it will run for 2-3 days.
@Hank, I agree⌠BL set the goals that, luckily (also for them), new and established players are trying to or already overcome.
While the difference may be negligible, what amazed me, and still does on the X1C, is that it works. And sometimes, it is almost against the odds (e.g. tricky print, rough first layers). It took me months of reading usersâ posts before committing to buying one, and until now, I am a happy owner. Additionally, despite the X1C being expensive (for me, at least), the value seems fair compared to what is offered and compared to others.
I also donât see myself as a club person, and whilst I am happy, I also found some issues along the road. But whenever I look around, I donât see any solid motive for replacing the BL printer.
I like the Snapmaker models, and IDEX would undoubtedly be an exciting toy to play around with. Yet, I prefer the geometry of the BL, and I would miss using an AMS a lot. I didnât know Phrozen Arco printer. In a
I would be surprised if the upcoming BL printer generation wouldnât bring breakthrough features (not necessarily novel). However, for me, the challenge that may not be easily achieved is to keep a reasonable market value whilst improving.
Regarding support, I understand their difficulty, but their business approach led to service deficiencies so that any problem could be tackled in advance.
It will bring new challenges; I believe that BL can tackle that mechanical requirement, yet it may raise printer-specific costs (letâs say per printing volume).
I am not looking for a large-volume printer, so I am curious about these values. If it moves at the same speed, 400 mm would be a significant step.
I understand the attraction for a larger volume, and I would benefit from it occasionally. Yet, I also see the additional and some hidden costs.
You are looking from a a business perspective and assuming it works as the X1CC, a completely different hobby.
I am still a proud owner of an S1 Pro, which runs daily alongside X1CC⌠Crealityâs advantage is (or was) the low cost and large community. They are a critical player in the 3D printing market developments by selling goodsâ specs at a lower price.
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To print bigger models without having to divide them into pieces and then having to somehow reassemble them using either glue or some other kind of fasteners. Likewise, a big object printed monolithically is likely stronger than if it were made from smaller parts that were stuck together.
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Also more parts per run = less purge waste per part.
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Very well said over everything - Iâll just take a small part out of it since a 3D printer will mix in to business extrem quickly. Prusa are far too expensive for me (but only as an example). Even if they are cheaper on sale than a X1.
Why?
I donât have any of my 4 printers in the âValue Propositionsâ - all are in the âKey Resourcesâ or the âChannelsâ with named attention-grabbing unique promotional items which could not be manufactured in small quantities or do replacing âkey partnersâ which are more expensive, slower or worse than 3D printers. And a 3D printer is a tough opponent for a âkey partnersâ: no order need to by placed, no delivery note needs to by checked, no invoice and no accountant has to pay the invoice as he wants wages as all other persons in the past notes or can be sick and then thereâs the purchase price of the product needed for the key activities on top of that tooâŚ
If a 3D Printer become a âkey activityâ, I lose income. Even if you have your printer privately - learn to use it for business - and that doesnât mean you have to run a print farm. This can also mean that you optimize your âkey activitiesâ, i.e. with optimized material that will help you get more output in your âkey activitiesâ to get more âValue Porpositionsâ or you open more âchannelsâ thure unique products which are named and brings more âcostumers segmentsâ to youâŚor may you get off on one or two key partners and need less inventory with faster material supply⌠however, any printer how goes to much into my key activities will get quickly, in my case, not more financeable.
This is an embedded graphic (so it isn`t a uploaded photo), the original of this Canvas buissness model is still with the website owner and may change:
Yes, and Iâve also noticed the working hours for plate changes and longer running times for the printer too. When itâs really maters to get as many parts as possible onto the plate, the automatic alignments donât work well. Then itâs better to alignet it yourself. Example with 500 parts by 25 or 20 parts per plate, thatâs quick 20% less working effort to get the job done and if there is a graphic on the printing plate that is imprinted on the printed partâŚ
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I agree with you and admit that exploring the printer for a part-time business crossed my mind after a friend questioned how much money I had spent on the hobby. But I never thought of the correct manner, as using the business Canvas⌠I havenât seen one since I took the BIP course and wouldnât remember to use it. Thanks for the tip.
BTW did you focus your business on a niche or a generalist service?
I can agree if itâs just a simple split and everything else is identical. I am not an expert in design, so it would be as you described in most cases.
Yet, observing some professional mechanical designs, I notice that many prefer splitting and afterwards assembly, as they can quickly maximise the part stiffness without using complex fibre printing orientation.
The advantage of maximising the number of prints per print is clear. But the benefits of time are not critical for me as a hobbyist for investing in large volume printers⌠if I look at it from a factory (farm) perspective, it would be different.