According to the known intel, the new Bambu printer won’t be as big, right?
It would be crazy for them to make a 5th version of the same printer though. Without first expanding beyond bed slingers and 256mm beds. What have you heard? I havnt been paying much attention.
I assumed it would be some odd size like 338mm but didnt think it would be less than 320
Don’t suppose you fancy running a VFA tower? I’d like to see how it compares.
Also I think I understood that you said it was the same noise level as the X1C, I was hoping it would be quieter.
Only this, together with the guesswork, which could be wrong. I suppose it might be comparable in size:
I will as soon as this plate finishes. I may stop it early, if everything looks normal. I forgot how long multicolor prints take. I should have also done the high temp tests first.
Unfortunately, the poop flushing process is loud on all the printers that have them. Besides that, print speed and fan speeds can and should be tuned for sound. Youll see that sometimes a fan at 60% actually makes less noise than the same fan at 50%. I had the rear fans set to 70% because I thought it was needed, but after the first prints, the chamber never broke past 32c. I could run the exhaust fans at 50% and still keep the front door closed.
@drakko
Here are the real world dimensions of the k2 plus.
515 deep, 497 wide and 640 tall without feet, 657 with feet set at factory height.
So the new bambu could be 350x350x320ish
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Fancy thing that you would fancy his fancy for such a tower. How did you fancy that!?
With the new “security” policy, their new machines have become entirely irrelevant. What matters is that we, the customers, get proper unfettered access to our machines, without any Chinese cloud service, proprietary apps, signing, authorization, and other such shenanigans.
You lost me after the second fancy, but I do fancy having another crack at it. 
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I understand that you got lost after my second fancy, but you should have been able to find yourself after the third one…(@ least in theory) 
So, assuming the build plate is of comparable size to the K2, will the new Bambu printer’s main advantage likely boil down to faster print speed and less poop because of the dual head design? Any way to reasonably estimate how much faster or how much less poop? The answer, I think, will constrain how much extra price Bambu can extract relative to the price of a K2. For instance, if Bambu’s H2D were twice as fast but cost twice as much as the K2, I don’t know how compelling that would be versus buying two K2’s or else nearly an entire small print farm’s worth of lesser printers that nonetheless can perform multi-material.
Of course, all this begs the question of print quality,. If the print quality were dramatically better, or possibly worse, that could affect the price quite a lot as well. Prusa seems to be gambling that at the end of the day, print quality matters far more than anything else, regardless of whether it takes 4x as long to print. The market’s move to higher speed, though, seems to reject that hypothesis.
So, if it isn’t at least 2x faster with maybe 2x better print quality, I’m afraid it’s not going to live up to its hype. If it could at least print 5x faster, then it will have been worth waiting for, and it will flop if it’s just same speed, same print quality, but simply 350x350mm build area at twice the price.
I dont it think it will be any faster. It may have slightly better quality. Its going to have a large gantry and an extremely heavy toolhead, if the leaks are correct. I think the filament is the limiting factor on speed again. Atleast for strong usable prints from an affordable printer. Kit printers can print faster but you have to dump $ into them and tune them well.
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How do you figure? You mean the advertised speed ratings on the filaments themselves? Admittedly, those do seem to make a difference, though I’m not sure what’s different about them. Do you they mainly melt faster and/or cool faster or something?
i.e. Not the number of watts or the length of the melt zone used to heat them up during extrusion? Or the blower?
Even if the velocity and acceleration of the heavier print head is worse, I figure the effective print speed could still be faster just by saving time in switching from one filament to the other via the dual head, rather than all the time lost backing out the old filament and then threading in the new filament during a filament changeover. This would also be consistent with the notion you put forth that the filament is the limiting factor on how fast you can go. If true, then until that changes, maybe this is the best that can be done in getting prints to complete faster.
What do you guys think about the Q1? What are some features you’re expecting? Share below😀
I hate being the iron fist, but somebody has to do it: for reasons, try not to post the exact same question to more than one thread.
Since Printer_Man opened his own, new thread around his Q1 question, I recommend anyone who wants to reply to Printer_Man do so in that thread rather than here, even more so since this is a retrospective question whose answer he could have easily been found using the Search function. I made the mistake of starting to answer it here, but then realized my error in doing so.
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I expect (and not in a good way) that it will come with the locked down firmware right out of the factory. Then, after you have purchased them and want to use them in your print farm, you’ll find out that Bambu Lab may want to charge you any arbitrary amount for that “privilege” after the fact. LAN-only mode will require encryption with keys that only Bambu Lab knows and, worse, can change anytime they please through firmware updates. I expect that if you don’t update the firmware, you won’t be able to use your printer. Pure speculation? Read the terms of service. It’s all written there!
I only expect really poor sales of the new printer. If it even comes out.
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Their latest statement says:
Developer Mode (Optional): For advanced users of the X1, P1, A1, and A1 Mini who prefer full control over their network security, an option will be available to leave the MQTT channel, live stream, and FTP open.
Note that they DON’T say “and all future models”.
So I think it is reasonable to expect that the new models will not allow you to use Developer Mode.
Their latest statement also says:
Farm management software developers interested in integration can work directly with Bambu Lab to implement proper authorization controls. We welcome partnerships with companies developing legitimate accessories and software for Bambu Lab printers
Note that they DON’T say “for free” and DON’T say “and open source projects”.
So I think it is reasonable to expect that the print farm integration will cost money and will not be available for open source software.
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I feel like this thread is that house party that goes on while the world is ending outside. Look out the window at the rest of the forum and youll see people running around on fire. Atleast this latest issue affects more people so that the fanboys have been silenced for now. Finally, the fanboys are outnumbered lol. woot
Must say, its nice to be one of the guys that have been telling everybody to buy end of the world insurance
Multicolor works good. No errors, no bleed, no ejected poop. Bottom of the printer is still clean. No adhesion issues without a brim. Edit:Whoops, I did use a brim. Must be on auto
Something new that caught me off guard is the speed that its does the cutting. At first, I thought the head was impacting something every so often. The cutting is very fast. Like 2 seconds for the process fast. The cutter is attached to the gantry instead of front corner frame, So it can cut at any time by moving to the end of the gantry. And doesnt need an exclusion zone on the bed for it.
With the door close for the last15 hours and the exhaust fans at 50%. 29c chamber
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I made an account to report a stolen model of mine there. Support replied, agreed, and took it down within 3 hours.
So it’s not exactly a Makerworld knockoff 
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if you got spares like toolhead mc boards or other stuff like that most of the time they make a new version wich wont fit on the older so you have tochange other parts. this is why i dont pile too much of replacement parts 
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