Sudden Rough Patches, Lines & Stringing on P1P Prints

Hi all,

I’ve been printing successfully for a few weeks on my new P1P, but recently something’s changed and my print quality has taken a hit.

Symptoms:

  • Rough patches and visible lines in certain sections of prints
  • Slight stringing, even though I haven’t had this issue before with the same filament
  • Some prints failing midway because supports get knocked over
  • Benchy still prints perfectly
  • Older prints (with the same filament) were flawless compared to current results




Example of I print I did with the same filament a week ago that is pretty much flawless. And Benchy also prints perfectly.

What I’ve Tried:

  • Calibrated Flow Rate and Flow Dynamics in Bambu Studio — improvement, but issues still remain
  • Dried the filament
  • Tested with the same spool that previously worked perfectly

Setup:

  • Printer: Bambu Lab P1P
  • Filament: Elegoo PLA+ Black

Not sure what to check next — any ideas?

check:
0. check if problem exists with different filament - ideally fresh roll. That should help to point either towards mechanical of filament related issues

  1. if there is no buildup of filament dust in extruder, clean gears, clear filament paths - if you have ams check if problem is same from all filament bays
  2. no filament bits anywhere near moving parts - belts, pulleys, lead screws
  3. You should have spare nozzle which came with your printer - consider swap to eliminate possibility of partial clogs.
  4. Check if everything which should be bolted is still bolted - sometimes screws will loosen up

Thanks for the reply.

  1. I can’t see any any build up or blockage of anything (only had the printer about two weeks so dust would be unlikely anyway).

  2. Again can’t see anything obvious.

  3. Changed the nozzle to the new spare one yesterday.

  4. Have looked at what I can see but struggled to find much info on what exactly could need tightening?

I recalibrated the printer on the built in screen to see if that helped and re dried my filament overnight just in case it wasn’t completely dried.

As stringing is one of the things I noticed I printed a stringing test with 2 seperate filaments and got the same results on both which is almost like a web. Also did it agin this morning after drying overnight and it was the same (noticed some lift from the bed on one corner too.

I’m wondering what I could have changed and if at some point I may have altered any retraction settings under the 'Extruder" tab. But I can’t find any defaults online to compare.

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I usually only really see stringing when I have not dried my PLA (it is PLA, right?). Since you have dried is but still experience stringing, it would be helpful to understand if this is the Bambu PLA Basic, if any settings were changed from the defaults (temps, retract, etc).
On this, changes from defaults are usually highlighted in orange. Another means of comparison is a tiny symbol in the far right of the “Process” line of Stuio’s prepare screen. See those two arrows? They open a comparison dialogue.
Also note that this test is designed to be a worst case. You’ll probably not see anywhere near as much stringing on real prints. And minor stringing can be renoved using a lighter.

Since you are experiencing warping on such small bases, you’ll probably want to some rigorous scrubbing of the build plate using plenty of water, dishwashing liquid (non-perfumed, etc) and a stiff, clean brush.
There are further steps if repeated scrubbing does not give you good adhesion. But with a clean plate, there really should not be any noticeable warping.

The patterns visible in your first pics are typical of flow dynamics issues. That however can have several different root causes besides the pure calibration (cooling, temps, warping). In many cases, reductions in speed and accelerations (!) can help.

In general, many issues can be better analyzed using the preview screens many settings. Fan speed, layer time, flow, speed, etc can be very helpful for troubleshooting things like those flow dynamics patterns.

As a new user, you may also be interested in running through the “Bambu Lab Academy” courses as they do run through a number of common issues. Just use the search function in the forum and you’ll come across them. They also give up to 100 Point :+1:

:four_leaf_clover: & :crossed_fingers:

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I think I solved it? (face-palm alert! :man_facepalming:t2:)

Looks this one was a bit of a newbie move! I had my layer height set to 0.08 (extra fine) thinking finer was always better. But reverted back to 0.20 everything clean layers, no weird textures although I did notice slight stringing on the infill as it was printing. I’m guessing there is more to it than just switching layer height? Still slightly puzzled as the model shown in the original post was 0.08 and I have had a few successful prints at that layer height but looks like that could be the culprit?


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By increasing the layer height, you increased flow, thereby getting better extruder control which eliminated the flow dynamics problems you had.

However, with good flow dynamics control and daring to take more time, you can actually obtain much higher resolutions.

With my X1, I occasionally use 0.04mm layer height in adaptive layers to provide a bit of a margin to the just about still doable 0.02/0.03mm layer heights. Once flow went as low as 0.01mm³/s though, I reached my limits.

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Yeah makes sense I’ll have. good read through that post at some point. Still a bit puzzled as I am getting some stringing although prints are ok in general and a quick once over with a lighter gets rid of it.

Saw it on the infill of the Panther I printed and then again I have it on these Ikea pins I made :thinking: so not really got to the root cause yet.

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Here’s my guess…

How long it takes and how dry your filament can get by heating it is limited by ambient humidity levels. The filament can never be drier than the air it’s drying in. Heating the air causes the relative humidity to drop in direct proportion to the temperature increase. It doesn’t lower the amount of moisture in the air, it increases the air’s capacity to hold more moisture. That causes moisture in the filament to diffuse out.

If you live in the northern hemisphere, ambient humidity levels are much higher now than they were a few months ago, so even after drying, your dried filament could still be quite a bit “moister” than when relative humidity levels were lower.

I’m also assuming you don’t have an AMS or dry box to “protect” the filament while the print is underway… Your stringing in that last picture looks like it’s mostly in the upper areas of the print - meaning the printer’s been running for a while and the filament has been able to soak up moisture from the air as it has slowly made its way from the spool to the extruder. So towards the end of the print the filament is wet enough to start having problems again.

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Usually, it is a sign of filament moisture. But since you dried the filament (8h, right?), it may be nozzle temp or retract speed related. Bambu recommends up to 40mm/s for PLA, 60mm/s for PETG. I would not recommend playing with nozzle temps though. Layer adhesion suffers significantly.

:crossed_fingers: & :four_leaf_clover:

Yeah the more I read the more it sounds like moisture and maybe I haven’t dried it enough. I have this morning got the esun dryer that I can then have my filament in while it is printing. I’m in the UK would moisture really absorb into PLA that quickly?

I’ll dry it overnight again and go again tomorrow.

I almost always load my filament in the dryer 1 full day ahead of when I plan to print. 24 hours. More time is always better. And the diffusion process that “dries” the filament is very, very slow.

If it’s already wet, and you’re not getting it dry enough, it probably doesn’t have to absorb much additional moisture. PLA isn’t quite the sponge that Nylon is, but if it’s humid it won’t take long for it to get soggy again. If the print runs for a few hours, that’d be enough for moisture to have crept back in by the end of the print.

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Interesting I’ll have to read into this more. It’s confusing as you get quite a few people saying thinks like “I live in Florida and have all my filament out all the time”

Are you using Ludicrous mode? This can often happen when going to fast with the printer

Ah, the UK :smiley: . All those melodic words for rain… and we are only speaking about summer :joy:

Most of the time, filament will actually arrive moist in its bag.


Those bags slow down moisture, but they do not stop it. Qidi even uses that to advertise its packaging.

So it is good practice to dry filament straight from the bag.

As for all those people claiming that any given PLA problem could not possibly be related to moisture… If I had a € for every such case, Jeff Bezos would have me on speed dial :rofl:

:four_leaf_clover: & :crossed_fingers:

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I’m just curious, but what do you recommend for a good filament dryer? The Bambu HT is a bit expensive for what you’re getting

I wish we had rain this year :joy: we have a hosepipe ban at the moment!

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Ah, bugger. I am on the continent where after the first 5 weeks of the 6 week summer holidays the kids are seeing the sun again :joy:
Its gotta be Monday soon :rofl:

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Hosepipe LOL
I thought that was a southern vernacular term. :+1:
I live in South Carolina and had never heard that term until I moved here.

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Ok a full night of drying and stringing is still there. I have now noticed that the printer seems to be making a noise that I didn’t notice before now so I’m leaning towards it being something mechanical as it happens with multiple filaments that are dry and enclosed while printing.

Any ideas would be appreciated. Video attached of the noise, it sounds like a slight grinding/clicking noise to me or is this normal? I don’t remember noticing before.

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Blocking the fan intake probably does not help.

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