if only they’d listen to the community…which for the past 2,5 years wasn’t the case.
Well, yeah. Yes. 
Based on what we’ve seen.
(You’ll have to dig a bit for it at this point, but the technical problems and a more standard solution have been explained somewhere on this forum.)
Community projects… like Orca Slicer, have been damaged by this change. Since the firmware is closed source, a community project can’t easily just “fix” this.
Open firmware is, I think, a solution that would probably shut down all the complaints instantly since it’d enable these constructive community projects that everyone wants.
Open source collaboration is great, but when a company takes those community projects and builds their own proprietary stuff around it, never contributing back… while that is technically allowed, it will turn that community against you. We are all for community collaboration and being constructive, but when one party doesn’t honor the spirit of the community collaboration, that gets tough. (Not that BL is the only one following this pattern by any means.)
This is true. However, has anyone noticed that as Bambu Labs turns its back on the community, the 3D printing world is further embracing Orca? My point is that these actions by Bambu are driving the industry to greater support of Orca while at the same time, driving Bambu customers away from Bambu Slicer. Orca now has everyone but Bambu on their side. Long term this is not a sustainable strategy for Bambu.
Here’s what I mean:
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Printables recently added one-click support for opening files in Orca, alongside their own Prusa Slicer—software that both Bambu Studio and Orca are heavily based on. While Bambu acts like the kid who only shares their ball if the game is played by their rules (and only if they’re winning), Prusa once again takes the high ground by supporting the community.
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Thingiverse likewise did the same a while back. Like Prusa, they have their own Slicer, Cura, which both Bambu Slicer, Prusa Slicer and Orca borrowed heavily ideas from. But rather than close off their ecosystem, they welcomed outside participation.
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Contrast this with Bambu Labs—MakerWorld only supports Bambu Studio. Since Orca is a fork, one could argue Bambu sees no need to include it… or do they?
Two years ago, when they needed community support, Bambu promoted Orca Slicer as an alternative. Now, they think they can strong-arm the community and get away with it. And they will—if we let them. -
Four major companies(there are more) in the 2024/25 release cycle have thrown support behind Orca—some even using it as their default slicer:
- Anycubic
- Creality
- Elegoo
- Qidi
Bambu behaves like that guest who brings one bottle to a party but refuses to share—then wonders why they’re not invited back.
This conduct will eventually catch up to them. Right now, they’re riding the wave of early success. We’ve all seen the four companies above and others now catch up.
Bambu’s momentum is presently based on new users who haven’t been burned yet. Eventually, Bambu will run out of those kinds of customers and that’s when the product becomes a commodity.
Anyone remember IBM, Compaq, and Gateway 2000? Once industry leaders, they are now just footnotes in PC history. Obviously, IBM was the inventor of the IBM PC. Dell rose to the top by prioritizing customer service—something Bambu is ignoring. They think their product is in a class of its own, like Apple, but anyone who has spent time in the troubleshooting section of this forum knows their design, testing, and reliability don’t measure up.
@BambuLab You ask for feedback, yet all we hear are crickets. 
Are you actually listening, or just pretending to?
No new comments ? All eagerly looking to new Vauuuu printer H2D A.K.A all in one wonder ?
Are you spreading cockroaches aound the forum? there’s absolutely no need, ya know… everyone knows it’s only them and cake that will out-survive us all 
They were crickets, and meant to provide a humorous answer to a question. Sadly, there appears I have a “shadow” whose sole purpose and reason to exist seems to be following my posts and report them as inappropriate or as spam. Oh well, when one hasn’t got better things to do with one’s life, I suppose playing “the paparazzo” might provide one with a reason to live.
Oh, derp… I stand corrected… crickets indeed!
Most people do, or so I’m told…
oh, does that mean you’re (in)famous now? Can I get your autograph? 
Back on topic, I’m still waiting to see that glut of second-hand Bambu printers hit the market… doubly so with the pre-order date for the H2D announced 
Just chillin’, waiting to pick up a couple of second-hand P1s or even X1s 
Unless it’s high noon. Then no one does.
The shadow seems to think that… and being designated as (in)famous … might entice me to auction my (non-authentic) autographs … I might get enough to possibly purchase the H2D… or a competitor…
So do I. Especially if these are model E with reasonable run-hours…Tempted to buy a couple of these for a personal project.
I tried. Nobody wanted them even at 60% of new price. Ive literally had the ad up for 1 month. 2 x1c, 1 p1s and 8 ams units. Let me know if youre interested. Sounds like you are. Even tried trading all of it for a prusa xl. No dice.
No upgrade path and people probably think a v2 is right around the corner
@drakko Im glad to see youve taken the heat off me. lol. Its not fun, huh?
Looks like the old saying (Bad news travel fast) still holds true nowadays… On ebay there are for sometime now several X1C combos and singles for sale …and very few appear to have been sold.
@StreetSports , you have no idea 
The new Elegoo Centauri is establishing the low price point in the market. At $200, it essentially blows away the base P1P model which I paid $600 for in May of 2023 which seemed like a great price at the time. Today I can buy 3 printers at that price and get what appears to be greater value. That’s just how technology works, right? You pay the same two years later and get three times the value most of the time. However, in this case, Elegoo, if their claims hold up, has reduced the price from the Bambu launch in 2023 to 1/3 that price with better features for the most part.
Now add to that all the negative press that Bambu has received regarding deprecating functions such as Orca Support and you can see that there will not be a path of buyers beating a path to the doors of P1 series sales. Now consider that the upper end Centauri Carbon is at $300 and it blows away the X1, and it will be a very interesting 2025 to see how Bambu and the Market responds.
Add to that the fact that we still have not seen what impact in the US the new Tariffs will have and I can easily see price volatility on all fronts.
I’ve more or less resigned myself that my P1P isn’t worth more than $100 so it likely isn’t going to be worth selling. That is unless Tariffs kick up the price of other Core XY printers and then my printer will ride that wave. Either way, I am waiting out the hype and letting the dust settle. How do I define “dust settling”? I define that by saying that when inventory becomes off-the-shelf, that’s when I can be assured that the supply chain is stable and ready. Can Bambu say that this has ever been their situation? It’s clear on filament at least that they have repeatedly promoted filament before they could fully support it and obsoleted or changed formulas without notifying the user base for last time buy or the fact that their shipment may have a color shift as was seen in last year’s PLA White issue.
is the elegoo centauri good?!
It’s hard to say. On paper, the specs look great; however, all the reviews came from paid YouTuber shills. In fact, it is one of the most egregiously fake-looking product launches I’ve seen in my 40+ years in tech, leading me to disbelieve everything Elegoo and its legions of paid promoters are saying.
This is one of the two big reasons I’m waiting to see what real reviewers say after the product has been in the wild for a few months. Call me cynical, but can we honestly trust any tech company these days, much less Chinese tech companies? Prusa is the obvious exception, but let’s be honest—they’re expensive. If money were no object, I’d own three of their products, but for each of Prusa’s products, I can buy anywhere from 3 to 10 printers in the same class. It’s hard to justify that kind of price delta.
Getting back to Bambu, Dr. Tao presents himself as the Steve Jobs of 3D printing and has publicly stated that they want to be more like Apple. However, Apple, for all its arrogance, at least has best-in-class customer support, and its product quality rarely comes into question. Can Bambu make either of those claims? So at the end of the day, if you no longer have a price advantage, never had a customer service advantage, and the one thing you were known for—innovation—is now something everyone else has too, then you can see where that’s all going.
The then CEO of Google Eric Schmidt said of his own company in 2007 when asked if he was worried about being declared a monopoly; “all tech companies are just one tech innovation away from obsolescence”. The next year Facebook launched and within two years MySpace was just a history footnote. Will we be saying that about Bambu in five years? Only time will tell. They still have a chance to turn the ship around but in my view, they aren’t steering the current ship into the right current as this thread initially pointed out. Will the H2D be that? If it’s at $3K, I don’t see it capturing much market share, especially since those customer willing to pay that much have much higher expectations that Bambu has not been able to meet with respect to support.
I did a short review of the centauri carbon. Its in the new printer speculation thread. Actually, it may be in the centauri carbon thread.
Most definitely, but I’mma gonna guess from that you’re in the US,
Ouch! 
Unfortunately not here in AU (yet?) there is just one used A1 mini that is… dearer than buying one brand new from Bambu directly… (with only $25 shipping) FFS! 
And it’s not even really on special… it will go down to 299 or less… then.
Yeah. U.S., where everybody seems to be getting more broke every day. Me~watches 401k plummet
A new wonderful world…under a new administration…what could go wrong, i wonder?!? 
damnnn that is really cheap… i wonder how much it cost to create those printers in china now that we see some clones of bambu for 200$ makes me wonder about the p1p … p1s and x1’s
Louis Rossmann has entered the forum.
…But you’re certainly not wrong about the general perception.
Only if it is very low level support that you need. If you need support in as far as repairs to your device, you are pretty much out of luck - they will just want to sell you a new device.
Rarely? Not so. Are they generally good quality? Yes. Do they have some shocking and abysmal failures? Yes. I had a Apple iPod Touch 5th gen destroy it’s own internal battery and nearly set on fire, when using the genuine charge lead (which was only rarely used, at home), due to a fault in that lead. A relatives iPod Touch (a 2nd gen 8gen which was marketed as 3rd gen) has recently had the battery suddenly stop charging, yet on screen the iPod thought it was charging even though there was no charge lead. I also had one of that size/generation, and the headphones socket failed after about a years use, and the top power button is dodgy. So from first-hand experience I refute that statement. As I said before, I think generally they are good quality, but they also still have lemons and poor design choices.