My point is that a lot of uploaded profiles are only there to mooch points.
As in your example, the changes in the second profile are completely inconsequential to the print in the sense that they don’t improve reliability, or quality. I’m willing to bet the only reason they have more downloads is due to the much reduced print time.
Imo those kind of profiles do not deserve to be rewarded. Low effort 5% infill changes and lowering layer height are a prime examples. So yes. Your post only convinced me further. You should in fact be able to remove that profile and replace it if you want.
Again, it’s YOUR model. You should have control over how it’s presented. The system as it is now, only encourages more low-effort profiles, sometimes with NO changes in settings.
Yes, I understood what they meant. To me that should not be considered ‘an exploit’. If anything it supports the idea that 3rd party profiles should not exist.
You had to deal with junk profiles yourself, had to report them, and had to deal with arguments around them. On the whole, I think this feature’s contribution to the MW culture is largely a net negative.
A headache for makers, confusing for users.
I would like to turn them off on my models, but I’m not allowed to do that either.
It had a benefit at the start as many models lacked profiles, it then was useful with adding A1 mini profiles to models that were created before it or were unable to target the print with their profiles.
BL eventually took my idea of using the model’s envelope to determine if it could fit the A1 mini and automated support (unfortunately, not historically).
Moving forwards, new printers that fall into to the trap the A1 mini did can benefit from my envelope solution and BL should handle the issue in the cloud when people go to print with BH, BS would handle it in the slicer.
As the MW system never became the universal system BL hoped it would, supporting all printers from any company, it only has to support itself.
That is a long way round of saying, it was useful, now it is a hindrance that should be removed.
I have suffered because of low quality profiles point-harvesting from the models I have that are very successful. Weirdly, they don’t do it on my unsuccessful models.
If removing third-party profiles doesn’t happen, then designers get to approve third-party profiles before they are publicly offered on their models.
The status quo isn’t smart or satisfactory to anyone other than points-harvesters.
It’s imho still useful due to MW requirement of providing real photo of the object printed with the profile.
Some designers upload models without generating print profiles since they generate tons of models in series (like eg planters or organizers) and it makes little sense for them to print all those designs. So if somebody prints and creates working profile for use with bambu handy, it’s good contribution.
That’s a good idea, but would require some time from the designers. A good way around that would be a configuration on per-model basis, eg:
Allow 3rdparty profiles
Let me review 3rd party profiles before publishing
Do not allow 3rd party profiles
In case creator doesn’t upload profile, the 1st option is pre-selected and in case the creator does upload profile - the 2nd or 3rd option is selected.
Indeed current rules for points for profiles could be a bit better… However the designer still gets the points for the downloads&prints of the model regardless whether profile creator chose to share points or not.
At the time I posted they had nearly 200 profiles for other users prints posted. I’m guessing MW stepped in or they saw I brought the spotlight to them and pulled those down.
I came up with another idea that might be nice to have for print profiles and would reduce the maintenance burden for bambulab (which has to remove duplicate profiles):
Allow people to suggest profile changes to existing profiles. This could be downloading the existing profile, making a change to one or two settings, uploading that with a message (explaining to the profile creator) why these are better than their version. I would make this independent of the points system, just for those people that want to improve a print profile and don’t want to upload the same profile, just with a few minor settings tweaks.
I frequently have print profiles that take double the time and a lot more filament than the settings that I would use for my prints. Most of the time, you can’t tell a difference between them. For example, all my profiles print with 8% Cross Hatch infill, which saves a lot of filament, compared to the defaults some other profiles use (not talking about profiles that need the strength). Such changes are in my opinion too minor for making a new print profile, but would be nice to make these suggestions to the profile creators, so we ideally end up with perfect print profiles for the models.
How are we now about the profile upload rules? Because i am having problems with some of the profiles people create for my models. They are made to fit certain parts exactly in that measurement, and some people uploaded more than one time a profile where they only resized the model, making it no more functional. In the end i, the creator, get the comments/messages/hate stating that my model is not working, parts don’t fit, etc.
Already reported once and it was gone, now a friend of that same uploader did another profile and no report gets it fixed. Reported twice in 2 days already without an answer. I don’t mind profiles when they are good, but profiles like the ones i see uploaded, no thanks. it’s not about the points, it’s about messing with the model as general.
One of the models in question is this and the profile is the last one that says “resized”
I keep seeing profile leeches everywhere, and it’s driving me crazy. People spend ten seconds creating a profile, and then take points away from the designer, who spent hours and hours to create the design, and then slice and print it.
One person even made a profile that would (according to my simple logic) reduce printability by increasing the overhangs. They’ve somehow got 100 downloads and like 50 prints. There’s two other profiles that only changed the bed temperature (which made prints not stick according to the somehow 5-star reviews). MY profiles always get reviews like “4-stars” with no description, or “1-star” “didnt stick to bed” This is taking points away from me, who has gone through dozens of prototypes and iterations to create it. I am the sole person who should be receiving points for MY models.
And it’s not just me either. Little Alien Visitors has plenty of leeches. People scale it up a bit. People add multicolor. They aren’t capable/willing to design stuff, so they steal other people’s points instead. I created a profile for the aliens, (two actually), and gave the points to the designer. THIS SHOULD BE REQUIRED. People should NOT get the points unless they ACTUALLY CHANGE STUFF. Designers should be able to lock down their models to prevent profile leeches.
And I know, everyone will just say “Then don’t post your designs”. Look. I’m not that concerned about the loss in points. I get mad when I see them on other models too, just because they’re stealing points from that designer. To me, it is more about the principle of it. That someone ELSE is getting those points for doing NO WORK. Sure, life isn’t fair, and I get that. But @MakerWorld has the ability to make it slightly better, and I sincerely hope that they do.
All of that is my concern too. The points… nah, they don’t get as many as most people think. But the spam with the profiles yes, is getting insane. If a design is uploaded by the creator, with the creator intended effect, then all settings must also be controlled by the creator. Some people just think that removing those 5% of infill will make the model faster but sometimes those 5% are there because they are needed.
In my case, i suspect that the people who are constantly uploading the profiles, are doing it for different reasons. The AI guy has that Angelol that makes his profiles and i blocked that guy because…you know… Angelol can’t comment, rate or upload anything directed to me, so has a friend that made a resized to 80% profile of my model. And so on… This is only nitpicking… The problem is that i got alreay messages in a group i am and on socials about it not printing the correct size and so on… And i have to answer to that because it’s my model.
Reporting takes me nowhere and again, i don’t care about the points they get because they are crumbs only. It’s about having no control over what is ours and not being able to delete “bad profiles” at all except if makerworld accepts those reports.
I wouldn’t call them “leeches” just “point farmers.” They don’t get as many points… and the quality is on them because if it’s not more than 4 stars then “no poits”
Nope. Only normal points. I know because I created profile for exclusive model that doesn’t have designer profile.
On that - I’ve only ever created profiles for not-mine designs where: there was no profile, I did some change that was beneficial (eg turn sculpture into a planter pot)… And I’ll add a profile for that moon thingie… once I’ve got time to photograph it with the damn succulent that my wife was sooooo enthusiastic about and now it sits in “waiting queue”…
Yeah but people are for some reason more positive on their profiles (where they made it worse) than mine. One person had adhesion issues because the profile had the bed temps set way too low, and they had to change the profile themselves, and they still gave 5 stars. Vs people have a dusty bed and leave 1 star on mine. Or just leave 4 with no reasons. I’m more at risk of going under 4 stars than they are. They have 5.0, I have 4.6 or something.
I think what you’re experiencing is a “point attack” where your profiles are downvoted, while other profiles are upvoted by probably friends of point farmers in order to affect profile ordering (higher-rated profiles are usually rated 1st). However unless they nuke your profiles, the designer profiles are always sorted first. This is obviously against guidelines but I think it’d be hard to prove unless MW has some better data that creators have, like accounts correlations.
But if it has <4 stars it doesn’t get points. Not that it’s a bad profile or that I think I’m being targeted, but people are being way more positive on non-designer profiles, even though those have way more issues. @MakerWorld should make it so that designers choose if the profile uploader gets the points (like for example if they manually paint in a detailed model and then print it out with AMS) or if they don’t (like if they made the profile worse)
Actually, makerworld should allow us to make a profile stay visible or not if we feel it’s not the right one, since it’s our model and our profile tuned specifically for that model, at least in most cases (i tune my profiles according to the model). I am having the same issue in one of my models that was supposed to fit a led tea light from makersuply, but someone created a profile where they just resized the model to 80%, making it smaller and it does not fit the candle. I printed one just to check. Result? I have to answer to those people that already downloaded that profile and i also get the negativity from those comments and socials. Reporting that profile accomplishes no results since i am reporting it at least once per day and without any response. It’s still there.
So… yes, i agree that we should have control of what kind of profiles are allowed in our model because if a bad actor creates a bad profile, it can tank the model rating/view into oblivion.
