I think you are missing the forest for the trees when you aim for the absolute truth
Laugh emoji if you agree, thanks
Me, one of those maybe? yeah, correct! You know why? because most people comment on those said models instead of coming here, butā¦ you know what is funnier? That said guy blocks those people and they canāt comment anymore. No more negative things to say about it, done! I bet anyone that commented on previous discussion can go in any model of that said guy and try and leave a comment and they canāt. Because they said things that hurt the AI man in the process and so got blocked.
The forum is not well known and only people that have no other way of raising their voices come here. That or to discuss other things or find problems to solve or throw their own problem in look of a solution.
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well played, itās still silly statement so iāll laugh without the emoji hahaha
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They can simply report it to Bambu, Bambu can sort it out if thereās enough people reporting it.
Otherwise, youāre policing something you donāt know if enough people care about it to be a problem
They report, true. But when that same person says they are above everyone in this forum because they have a contact inside, then there is not much that reports can fix, is there? 
Truth matters regardless how many people ācareā
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Well thatās a different matter, and I read that whole thread, I donāt believe he means it nor do I believe Bambu would listen
Again, youāre putting too much value on the truth here. What value is the truth in this case if the majority of people donāt care or are not bothered that itās AI?
If itās a really bad AI picture, people can report it
This does appear to be a reoccurring theme here.
āIf I know it is wrong, but others are doing it, it is okay for me to do it also.ā
This is the lack of ethics I was referring to earlier.
You imply that we are missing the forest for the trees, but people are standing in front a desert and telling people there is a forest.
And it is not āabsoluteā truth we are talking about. We just want people to stop misleading others just so they can farm as many points as they can and not care about the person wasting filament.
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I canāt defend anyone that states such a thing like that guy did right in front page without repercussions. If i say i work for the fbi and keep telling that, one day i will believe myself, but that means that others will believe it too and it will start to have influence on more normal subjects.
Right or wrong, itās Makerworld duty to defend their name and, most of all, assure his users and creators who, by the way, made the website grow, that there is no bias towards any creator or user.
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āstop misleading others just so they can farm as many points as they can and not care about the person wasting filament.ā
Again, are they actually being mislead, or do they know exactly what theyāre getting in to? In the case of Deltaprints, he includes print pictures as well. So I challenge this again with the question that if 90% of people are happy with it, is it a problem?
Iām sorry I care about truth in advertising. In these sorts of arguments, I reference amazon because it happens there a lot, where images are badly photoshopped and give the wrong impression of the actual item. Just because I buy some of those items still, doesnāt mean Iām okay with it, or that this practice is okay. Itās misleading and it makes it frustrating having to shop, deal with things. It makes me feel very untrusting, and unsure.
This! Like people are out their swindling people all the time, and it goes unnoticed in a lot of cases. Does that make it right? No.
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This all sounds like personal opinion, and youāre all trying to speak for everyone.
They are listening our concern. But sometimes they donāt understand them well. ^^` Thatās why we need to discuss about them
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Discussing and voicing opinions is good, I just find an issue when those personal opinions are pushed to be absolute and spoken for everyone using Makerworld.
Iām off to bed, good night!
Thereās a lot of people that will just hum along and not think about these things. I know I donāt speak for everyone. I still do not like deceptive marketing tactics though and I will speak out against them.
I will point out the issues I see, and I will discuss how it makes me feel from a consumer. Iāve been burnt by deceptive marketing, and I do not like it. Even with these free models, they arenāt free. I still have to pay for the plastic, the electricity, the time. It cost me.
Iām not just a designer. Iām also a consumer. People seem to forget that. Like. I buy stuff too, I print stuff too, I get excited and disappointed too.
I will expand upon this a little further. This is a place for discussion, especially amongst the community. We just talk about things. We donāt dictate policy or anything to Makerworld, and itās their own choice if they want to listen to us or not. Iām not gonna go anywhere else and hassle anyone, as this is only a discussion, and beyond that, I just go out there and let the market of things decide what it feels and wants. I have my approach that fits within the rules, and if anyone else has their own approach, as long as it fits with the given rules too, I donāt care.
AI is new, and the rules donāt fully cover it, the world hasnāt fully adapted to it yet. Thereās still a lot of things to consider. I think it warrants discussion. AI isnāt bad, and can be a very useful tool. It can be used in negative ways though that warrant discussion and boundaries on what is acceptable, and what goes too far.
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from my side, iām not interested in speaking for everyone, i would just like to hear what is @makerworld guidance on this, if this is really acceptable
i even started by saying i though they were renderings - which even though i donāt appreciate myself i have nothing against if it then includes prints photos as well, and there are a few well known and good designers that follow this approach, however, this is not the case here, the images presented are not a representation of the design, it canāt even be considered in the realm of 3d as itās a 2d ai generated image
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Since you refer him personally, and since he also uploads real pictures, then iāll show you what i think that is the problem with the AI part and what i feel about his designs.
Check this picture. I have drawn what is wrong in the AI generated model in regards to the printed design. Simply put, itās not even the same design, same curvature, same top or bottom in the printed design. Misleading, while also with uploaded pictures.
And the image he uploaded with the printed part
Itās clearly not the same. Do i care? Yes! You know why? My wife asked me to print that when he released it and so i did. Do you know what happened after i printed it? Trash! Waste of filament. Yet i did not comment there and later on, the previous topic emerged and i touched the pointā¦ obviously with the end result shown.
Itās misleading and fake, even with images of the real print. Itās clearly not the same model shown, period!
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This is philosophical question and one that touches on ethics.
The way one approaches it shows philosophical background, attitude towards ethics, maybe even personality traits. And I havenāt seen any study on people with tendency to deceive even in small matters such as āfree 3d modelsā to be āgood peopleā or any deceivers being āgoodā for anything except themselves. We could go into philosophical discussion with this, but ask any hard working person if theyāre ok with liars and iām sure theyāll say ānoā.
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Another philosophical and ethical problem is with one who defends the liars/deceiversā¦ You see, the lawyers defending people they know are guilty do not say āmy client is not guiltyā but instead defend their clientās right to fair trialā¦
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You like to hide behind your word, āifā. Like it protects your statistic.
So letās look at some actual numbers based on this moment in time right now.
18 users commenting in this thread.
2 users commenting that nothing is wrong.
16 users commenting that misleading people is wrong.
That is 88.9% of users in this thread think that this is an issue.
This is 11.1% of users in this thread think nothing is wrong.
That is pretty far from the āif 90% think this is fineā argument.
That is all I was asking. Instead of using āfeelingsā can we have some actual numbers?
Now, I know marketing and statistics can be used unethically also, and that is part of the problem being discussed here. But making up numbers and hiding behind the word āifā provides zero applicable information to the argument.
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