I understand your argument but like we say in french :
Avec des si on mettait Paris en bouteille.
with if we would put Paris in a bottle
IF if 90% of people are not complaining about it’s maybe because 1% of the content on MW is misleading.
And what IF we let that continue and see IF in 3 months 90% of people will be complaining about it…
To expand upon this. Not everyone complains. I’ve had a number of times where I just threw the model in the trash and moved along. I wasn’t happy, but starting a fight over it sometimes is a pitty.
I saw in the comments of the designer in question too, where he was threatening a user to have their low rating removed. That sort of negative aggression and manipulation of the system stifles people from speaking out.
Or I mean, ha. Like amazon. Some of those items with nearly 5 stars and thousands of reviews, until you start to realize that they bribe everyone that gives a negative review, to change or remove their review.
I’ve seen plenty of AI’s and renders all over the place… And they’re always the ones with the most likes, and the most deceptive files. If you’re going to show a render, at least add a real photo.
There’s my opinion, your welcome world.
I see this as a big issue, the problem snowballs usually as players run with it while the goings good and often whole catalogues are toxic. In these cases MW seems to turn a blind eye it seems, ignoring reports or asking for the elusive “additional support information” until you just give up. This is just one of many who scheme the system because there’s little to no consequence.
Misleading people is wrong. +1
We must be cranking over 90% now, would you look at that. That’s the inverse of what dude is claiming, funny how that works.
Thinkin about harms, kvnper mentioned users being harmed, but what about creators?
Let’s take for example a beginner creator - imagine working on a model, spending tons of time learning tools, finding bugs in said tools, prototyping and iterating over a model, then finally releasing it and… A model with “nice ai generated cover image” that took next to nothing in creating gets way more attention. That can be discouraging and harming community in a long run, because with less begginers there’ll be less pros.
What about printing experience? I remember my experience with [a company that shall not be named] that put me off from 3d printing for couple years. Getting bambu printer was a gamble for me but it seemed like it’d work. Now imagine being beginner, downloading nice looking model and it comes out… Well… NOT great. If user has such experience, then it’s not very encouraging. Maybe that’s a kid that got 3d printer for birthday and their parents are all like “if bad looking 3d prints is all they got to offer, maybe lets get rid of that expensive printer and get the kid into something else”.
And finally - what about experienced creators with creations that actually look awesome? They’ve spent considerable amount of time, their creations are brilliant, the photos are stunning but users are hesitant to download&print since “it’ll be same shite”…
Nobody benefits except the one misleading others and even then it’s for short time because of “fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice - shame on me”. I doubt the ones with pretty covers but crappy models have lots of repeat customers…
That’s what bothers me the most actually.
Unlike other 3d printing communities, Bambu Lab is most certainly the one with the great number of new comers. They don’t know yet what’s doable and what’s not. And they come on MW to look for nice stuff to print and they will certainly fall into this trap and be disappointed by the result. No even knowing if they done something wrong or if the model is just garbage.
It’s a disgusting behaviour from those designer IMHO
The picture shows a model about 30 to 33cm high. This is a size that makes the model visually interesting. It is also the shape and the special design. Together with the neighbouring objects, this creates an overall picture that a person either likes or dislikes when looking at it, whether the object has an attraction or not.
When users print it out at home at 22cm up to 24cm height: The first disillusionment occurs because the printed model is not the same size as in the picture. The second disillusionment is because it doesn’t look exactly like the one in the picture. It looks similar, but it is not the model shown in the picture.
One good thing about all this in conjunction with the new makerworld update. Now there is another reason to report this kind of behaviour and/or models, on top of exclusivity on makerworld while selling the commercial license for the same files on patreon/cults/thangs/etc.
Edited because: not directed at anyone specific.
Can’t wait to see how it’s going to turn out for who does that or how will makerworld enforce it. Time will tell… or not. If it’s the same as the current reports, it’s going to be a mess.
So offering additional licensing on Patreon is now viewed as unethical?
Patreon does not host the design files.
Are you implying that MakerWorld now owns these files and not the original author? Because you are incorrect in this statement. This was clarified in MakerWorld’s own documentation on that subject.
(But this is off topic for this thread.)
Is this not allowed with the exclusive model program? It just states the files can only be available on makerworld - nothing about giving commercial rights elsewhere?
I am not implying anything, just what the terms are when we post a exclusive model in makerworld.
Atleast that is my interpretation and without any harm to anyone. From the terms is like this: model exclusive here, bye bye selling them or hosting them anywhere else. That is a subject that is being already discussed in the other topic about that because people are starting to wonder too, just like me 
commercial license · at least mine · is to allow people to sell prints from the design, it does not relate to posting the digital files anywhere else
i think these are two different things
Guess i misinterpreted it wrong then. When a guy is wrong, a guy is wrong 
Makerworld should really clarify on this, but I think this conversation should be had here: MakerWorld Exclusive Program is now Live!
yeah that’s probably the better thread indeed, but yeah if they state you cannot apply a commercial license, then it makes it simple for me, no exclusive designs for makerworld
To get us back on topic here…
I am guessing that the designer in question might be using AI to get inspiration for new models. I believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
Now, if the inspired model is not exactly the same as the AI rendition, it should not be used as the profile picture for the model. It is not render. It is not related to the actual model in any way, other than the designer might have been looking at it while designing.
Inspirational photos are not profile worthy, because they do not represent the model. It was just inspired by it.
Exactly, it’s like me posting a real-life picture of a statue for a 3d replica I made - it has no actual relationship to the model
I don’t want to be taken wrongly in this matter. I love AI for some things. Heck, i installed a few years ago a local llm and i am still updating it almost monthly for my use cases.
I also don’t mean harm to anyone, and in regards to that said user, it was the attitude that ruined everything because, as i said, this started because my wife wanted one of his models but in the end she was deceived and the printed model was, in my opinion, wasted time, electricity and material. Trash!
Other than the attitude of said user, it was also a matter of clarification of in which stand is makerworld about those pictures/models (from more than one creator, not only deltaprints). And then he came and “pushed” the inside contact thing and that ruined even more the discussion when in reality i would only want a way of hiding said models and creators of my “recommended for you” and front page.
That was it but in the end things got nasty, as always. As for me, i keep my stand about the subject. Give me the power of hiding certain creators or models from the start page and i’ll be going my way while said creators are filling their pockets with those sweet points, if that’s what makerworld really wants for the future 
