How many people have asked this now
mb :^) iāve been lurking all the threads but somehow missed this
Ohā¦ one other thing that I think a lot of people missed. 1000mm/sec travel speeds. This is pretty big. I saw something in the FAQ, which suggested the print speeds will be around 600mm/sec āeasilyā. While I do doubt the āeasilyā part, if they are able to print at 600mm/sec, we will likely see a substantial improvement in print time. Note, the current print speeds are 200mm/sec. Againā¦ Iām a little doubtful because acceleration didnāt improve (and is likely worse off as the toolhead gained a lot of weight), and the claimed hot-end volumetric rate is only up moderately (about 30%). But if it really can print at those speeds, it will have a significant drop in print times (Iād guess 30-40%+). Thatās up there with the crazy speed deltas out there.
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I am like you, I donāt need the laser and dual nozzles. But I donāt expect a company to make me a printer that has everything I want and nothing I donāt want. Maybe someday some company will offer customization to do that, but that will cost a fortune.
There is no need to get upset about a company releasing a product that has things that you donāt need or like. You donāt like it you donāt buy it, thatā all.
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There is always choice somebody has to make, a other manufacturer than Bambu may supply it.
Time will tell.
Exactly, there are other brands out there. So why get hung up on one product from one company.
We do 3D printing because it brings us joy. If one product or one company makes one unhappy, one should disengage, stay away from it and go find another printer or company that brings joy.
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Are we trying to do too much with one machine? dual nozzle 3d printer, a laser head, and a vinyl cutter? I would settle for 400x400x400 with one print head. all this other is a turn OFF for me.
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Whatās really gonna suck, this one will sell a lot more than it should because itās their first new gen machine. Thenā¦ 3-6 months later, they release the printer that more closely fits what everyone wanted, and people are gonna be ticked off. Think about how the X1C would have sold if the P1P and P1S were released at the same time (likely good but, definitely far fewer units).
Iād normally say thatās your fault for buying the one you really didnāt want, but unfortunately, I think the product lines were designed to do this to you. Can I really blame a company for trying to milk every penny out of youā¦ If I did, Iād really hate the world we live in.
So go in to tomorrow understanding the situation.
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This new dual nozzle H2D (without laser) is exactly what i need for my workflow. We all want/need different things.
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NP, if this is what you are looking for, you would obviously be in the other category. Only you know what you want. I think you are in the minority, but at the same time some may feel like its a reasonable compromise. Iām still on the fence and think it may be a reasonable compromise, but I canāt say just yet. But you can bet Iām not buying it thinking it will be the only thing like it from Bambu this year.
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I hope next will be an H2D Plus with dual nozzles and even bigger print volume, 420-450mm that would be great.
ā¦to print bigger LEGO-ToyĀ“s ?
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@maximit what do you think aboutā¦
Idex 350mm p1s ftw. With enough extra space to not lose any print bed. Purge bucket on each end if x axis and an ams to each head. For the people that dont need all the protections and just want fast printing and fast color changes. For roughly $1,200
idex 350mm designed right, is like a dual nozzle 400mm designed poorly, as far as usable bed space
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I do a lot of black ABS/ASA panels with white text markings (control panels) and complex HTN Nylon parts with dedicated support material so the dual nozzle H2D is exactly what I need. Although I would not say no to IDEX multi tool (3+), just has to be done right (enclosed, heated etc) not Prusa XL.
Honestly I donāt think maximit is in the minority. Everyone is so focused on the fact that you can clip on a laser module and ignoring that the 3D printing side of the H2D sounds incredibly solid and well thought out. If you donāt want the laser, donāt buy it. I expect this to be an incredible 3D printer as Bambu have proven themselves to know how to build 3D printers well, and the specs back that up. I donāt expect the standard model to be outrageously expensive, and I think this will be a definite step up from the P1/X1 range.
People also seem to think it will cost more than the X1E because Bambu said it will be āpositioned above the X1 rangeā but I donāt think that correlates. The X1E costs as much as it does because of the enterprise support, not because of the hardware. This machine is very clearly positioned above the X1E in terms of hardware, but I expect it to cost less than the X1E.
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Never considered buying it.
I hope so, unfortunately, Iāve learned over the years big aspirations normally lead to tough to meet expectations. Swiss army knives are rarely good knifes. I donāt expect this machine to be trouble free. I hope to God Iām wrong, but experience tells me differently.
I fully agree. Butā¦ I broke down the cost in a post and it was far more than the X1E (and I didnāt add in everything). And if I use the X1C price as a starting point, it still ends up above the X1E. No matter how you look at it, this is going to cost serious coin. The added hardware is a input cost, plain and simple.
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For my use cases i mentioned above its perfect actually. I dont see this as a multi-colour machine, more of a multi-material machine for dedicated supports or dual colour prints.
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Personally, I very rarely use more than 2 colours in a print, and having just 2 materials with 0 purge time gives a huge amount of flexibility that the rest of the Bambu printers donāt have. If you regularly print in a lot more materials, then I donāt think this adds any additional time over what the older printers take. If you need that, then maybe the Bondtech INDX is a better value proposition for your use case. Not every printer is ideal in every situation.
As far as the build size goes, Iām treating this as a 320x320x320 printer that happens to have a little extra on the side in certain cases. Itās bigger than the X1 by as much as I was hoping without being so big that I canāt find place for the printer to sit. If you need a bigger printer, then again, there are other options.
I dont need cheap, i need bambu reliable. I have 7000+ hours on my X1 and P1 and they have been mostly flawless printing 24/7. Im not paying for anything i dont need, Im skipping the laser.
This is the part that scares me the most. Will it be that printer, like the previous.
BTW, complexity isnāt a guarantee of problems, but it definitely increases the chances of having them.
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