I think the X1C has a few more extras than just Lidar and display.
It has faster processor which leads to much better WiFi transfers rates.
The camera is much better and gives you realtime streaming at FullHD, while the P1S/P1P give you a slide show at 2-3 fps.
Spaghetti detection, which has worked great for me.
The higher bed temp might be helpful in some cases. I can’t tell.
I also think the display is a huge improvement over the P1S display. Many play it down and It probably depends on personal preferences, but I’m doing most stuff on the printer directly and wouldn’t give it up. No idea, how the Panda display compares. There was the rumour that Bambu would shut down the interface that Panda Touch uses. No idea if that is true.
I also use the Lidar mainly for Flow- and PA-calibration. The results are much better and consistent than what I was able to achieve manually. I would miss that too.
You probably can achieve the same results with both. But I think user experience is quite a bit better with the X1C.
I payed 1350€ for the X1C combo when it was on sale if I remember right. Think the P1S was at 850 at the time.
If you upgrade the P1S to Panda touch and exchange nozzle and extruder wheels, price difference shrinks a bit.
Knowing myself, I would have regretted going the cheaper route. But of course it’s quite a bit more money. So In my opinion depending on priorities for some the P1S is the better choice and for others the X1C.
For day to day prototyping I have found my A1 to be a lot more convenient to use than my P1S and X1C. Printing PLA PETG and TPU it is a breeze. Only draw back the A1 is a bit slower than the P and X series.
Of course you did that to put it into perspective with something you know.
Of course people who have been in contact with Raiser 3D, Extrudr Filament etc. are looking for the best deal breaker too. In fact, even much more often and by every single step they do.
Of course, people who have stopped using an ender because of time can solve a lot of things - but why did you stop? Did you run out of money (P1S) or time (X1C)?
Of course you can do all the calibrations which a lidar is doing by your self (Since you have so much time and can also do that, you will also do a flow test when troubleshooting), can check the printer as often you want, can add. a old Iphone to the P1S and so on and exacly becouse we can, we can no longer do everthing by ourselfs and will by always short on time.
So the buttemline will by always - Time or Money, and there is also life without an 3D printer
But that’s enough for today, you’ll make the right decision and if not you’ll be richer in experience
Yeah but when i have time to watch my printer doing Things in FHD i wouldnt spent extra money Buying a printer that doesnt need me xD so Kamera and WiFi are useless Gimmicks to me. Buy a 30€ IP Cam and you got better Pictures…
The better CPU could have an Impact in the Printing Quality but i Think the CPU from p1s is allready with some Buffer.
100 or 110… Doesnt really Matter 120 or 130 okay but 110? Not really …
Spagetti and Lidar seems very usefull but so usefull to a doubled Price???
And Most of the CPU Power IS used for the Screen GUI so…
Iam getting closer and closer to the X1C but for 1600 i can also some people paynto Print my stuff… Thats hard… Thats why iam in p1s with Bambu Filament. There should be fit everything with RFID or Not?
Lidar and PA and Fillrate calibration for 3rd Party ist the biggest plus butbis IT worth?
I mean, when i Invest 1h per Filament setting. And than IT Works everytime thats absolutely fine!! Then i rather Buy 2 AMS calibrate IT and never Touch IT again xD
A good help may be how many filaments you want to calibrate and how often.
PLA hardly ever needs calibration but PETG onwards does need it in my experience. And with 2 AMS I have 8 filaments loaded. Tuning all of those in when returning from an absence … Personally, I do really appreciate the LIDAR and Spaghetti detection for that price. It may be different for you though.
So the X1C with AMS = approx. 30% of a swiss low-wage income or approx. 18% of a siwss average income. Although the low income at the end of the month probably doesn’t have enough left to buy any 3D printer at all…
I think you have all the info you need and it depends on your personal circumstances. The benefits of the X1C are 90% quality of life improvements. And it really depends if you want to pay them.
Things like adding a better camera, exchanging nozzle and gears with hardened steel, adding a Panda touch and so on sure are possible. For me personally, time is at a premium, like when I find 3 or 4 hours a week for designing and printing, that is much. I don’t want to spend that time on fiddling. that was one of the reasons for me to go for the X1C as well as I would always ask myself “mmh, would I be happer with the X1C?”
Both don’t apply to everybody and the X1C might be a stupid choice for many. Perhaps they use the controls in the slicer and the app all the time and never touch the display. So that would be a complete waste for them.
The points I listed above might be an advantage to some like myself or completely irrelevant for somebody else like DrakirS.
If you go purely by value for money, then the A1 mini combo kills them all. It also has exceptional print quality, printing PLA, PETG and TPU should be sufficient for most and build volume is often overrated in my opinion.
The point here isn’t watching it printing, but zooming in on details to remotely check if everything is fine. But I have to admit that occasionally I find myself watching it darting around.
I completely understand your need to get back to printing without spending hours next to the printer. The P1S is truly a great choice! With hardened steel gears and the additional hotend option, it has no limits when it comes to printing technical materials like ASA GF and Nylon. It’s designed to deliver reliability and high performance, so you can rest easy.
Regarding compatibility with third-party filaments, the P1S performs well with other brands. However, it’s always advisable to do some testing to find the optimal settings.
Overall, I think the P1S can really make you happy and allow you to focus on what you love, without the stress. Good luck with your return to 3D printing!
I have x1c at work and p1s at home so that I have some differences pinned down:
Mirco Lidar - not so useful if you use correct plate, correct print setting
Spagetti detect - Unless you expect to have a lot of failed prints, this is quite useless as well
10-20 FPS camera - this is a plus compare to 0.2 FPS camera of P1S (1 frame ever 5s), no cure for this sh~tty camera of P1S, but still useful to see if you have spagetti for dinner or not.
X1C bed can do 110 centigrade bed - P1S bed can do 100 centigrade, not so much of a difference. Chamber temperature is more crucial than bed temperature. Anyhow 100 degree centigrade bed setting does help to soak the chamber with heat better than 90 degree bed.
Aluminium shell cover → dissipate heat to surrounding ambient better → lower chamber temperature, this is kinda bad news if you print ABS / Nylon
Touch screen display vs Monochrome - You can have something like GitHub - xperiments-in/xtouch or just an old android phone running the app then you have similar feature of 5" display of x1c
Hardened nozzle came with printer - nozzle can be replace easily, you can buy different nozzle from bambu or from Aliexpress. You should have 0.2mm nozzle for fine detail print like small text or small QR code.
I owned anycubic mega i3 and wanhao mini before, so I still had the anxiety of successful / failed print mentality and the urge to monitor the print when I bought this p1s. But after 20+ rolls of ABS and 10+ rolls of PETG. I have more confident in my p1s. Now it is more like a laserjet paper prirnter to me, just print and come collect the print after the bed cool down.
Since P1S can print any filament X1C can print (specs comparision from bambu says otherwise), it’s bolted down to good steel sheet for the filament I print, then it’s like 100% success print every single time, no magic goo nor hair spray, nothing. For me steel sheet is consumable just like nozzle and hotend fan which suffer quite much wear and tear after some time.
Sometimes I send a 1KG print to the printer and close the program without even waiting for the printer to start. This works in 99% of cases, but when it occurs to me 3 days later that there is still a print, I’m glad I don’t have to take 1 kg of fillment out of the printer in the form of spaghetti even if it were only less than 1% of all prints.But no guarantee that the X1C will work one hundred percent. That’s the case for me, but it doesn’t have to be that way.
A printer runs on TPU seals - the display can by handled from people who only want to use their mobile phone to make calls and nothing else. I have a seal on the printer whithin in 2 minutes from the start of drawing (including printed ID number for reprinting) - then everyone can print as many as they want… During that time I don’t even order the seal, Apart from the fact that I still have to find the seal out of thousands in an online shop (which takes far more time than to order it), adhere to minimum order quantities, to keep the warehouse in order, the space required by the warehouse, to check the receipt of goods or to release the invoice, delivery times and so much more. So what is there to discuss about $500? More like over 500 USD more to add another one if the first one has a problem… But that’s where the M5 comes in, because a 6 minutes print (or even 1 hours print) doesn’t require spaghetti monitoring, because there will just be a pile on the plate anyway.
I don’t disagree with you at all, but the people who can use a cell phone and a screwdriver are dying out (so both of them and not just one). And in 20 years they’ll cover the roofs with there cell phone cases since nothing else can by delieverd anymore or is currently not available from stock. Out of stock may becouse the machine producing it miss a 20 cent gasket or a 1 euro clutch buffer…
Sooo iam a mechanical engineer from Munich using solidworks and Inventor. And its a Rent because ITS Munich
I dont Like meldet Plastik as Dekoration i wanna Print funktional parts (PACF ASA etc…)
Well itbfalls to 1500 today …
2nd AMS load 8 spools (PETG, ASA, pa, cfs and GFS Support Filament etc.) calibrate accurate 1 day and than i hope it Just Work
@EnoTheThracian is new tuning after a Filament Switch from AMS really so necessary? Or is It more Like i got the Lidar so i use it? PA or Fillrate shouldnt Change that much…
Thats exactly what iam also think. But 1500 or 850 is a big amount i mean against an Espresso Maschine Its nothing but how much do i have to Print to get an efford against Order the Print? Is it worth are they really so Automatic Orbis there still a Lot of fiddling?
The A1 cant handle my Materials.
Thanks a Lot so Bambu seems to be a good choice maybe even a x1C?
But also the flashforge triggered me because No i dont wanna spent the time… But iam also a little Play Kid who wants an Challenge xD maybe as 2nd?
So what l ready Out Here.
P1S, little chamber heater with temp Controller, and better camera should fit to me?
Iam experienced i can calibrate These Things i Just dont wanna spend the time.
But If “Manually calibrating” the P1S is done in 1h against half the day Like an Ender with Klipper and only need for 3rdparty filament that would be also very fine!!!
I cant find Out why some people say the X1C prints in better Quality because its the Same mechanical Hardware
