Looking for waterproof printing setting (PETG) G1/2" fittings

Hi again. I never try something new for this, just the material runs out and has to change.

I was not aware that filaments come moist from the manufacturer and would have to be dried first. I feel that this is a product defect. The Manifacture is eSun ordered by amazon.

Accordingly, I will send back another roll PET-G original packaging.

I still have ePA CF lying here. Also from eSun

Achso what the Bambu Support still recommended, which I find however already questionable with ABS to print and then with acetone vapor to smooth the pressure tightly. But this method is much too uneven or not. In addition, ABS is not exactly chemically resistant. But what I would like to have.

I will definitely still watch the videos. Don’t worry and I appreciate any help of course. At the moment, unfortunately, I have relatively little time.

By the way, I pack everything I can get in moisture bags directly into the AMS in every crack. So that the box remains properly dry. I hope that brings something more.

Kind regards
DrCarbon

It’s not apparent, that’s why I mentioned it. :wink:

However, although I understand your frustration with it, it really isn’t a ā€˜product defect’!! I’d post a video about it :grin:, but as you say your time is limited, and I understand that fully. Please be assured I wasn’t offended. Text messages are hard, especially if there translation going on. :+1:

What you may not realize is during filament manufacture when the hot plastic is extruded out a nozzle to 1.75mm it needs to be quickly cooled. Many setups use water … :astonished: so the filament is inherently moist when packaged.

Should (Could?) they dry it first? Yes. But that could drive the cost way up, and when you’re pumping out the levels of production eSun and all the rest do it’s just not practical.

Don’t send the reels back. Dry them. You won’t accomplish anything except feeling better and you’ll have the exact same problem with any new reels.

How you want the 3D world to work is not necessarily how it does work, my Friend.

Again, I fully get your upset, but it’s just how this works at this time. Five or ten years from now, perhaps not, but for now drying by the user is the standard.

Your filament is wet. Fix it or your efforts will be in vain. Changing settings won’t fix wet filament. You can’t drive on a snowy road with slick tires either, it is what it is. :cry:

Good! But it won’t dry filament, only reduce the moisture uptake, and every time you open the top it has to start again to dry the air and it takes hours. It’s physics. I’m trying to help here, eh? :wink: :grin:

You’re not allowed to shoot the messenger you know, LOL.

Cheers!

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Hi,

thanks for clarifying this again. As soon as it is possible I will take the time to watch the videos.

But in the meantime I have actually fixed the problem! It was really so that the Nozzle was clogged a bit. I have cleaned the Nozzle with the supplied cleaning tool and performed a new test print. The result was suddenly good again. Whether the PVA material has caused some clogging I can not say. But the cleaning has definitely made a difference. So it is not a wet material for me.

Kind regards
DrCarbon

I don’t know what PVA you are using with petg but keep your recommend nozzle temperature on the low range like sample below or unless you have higher temp range pva like Atlas or even better usm.

Basic PVA with petg support interface speed 30 to 40

Recommend nozzle temperature
Min 215c = Max 220c

Nozzle 220c

In your filament settings what is your Flow ratio, Pressure advance and Max volumetric speed set to ?

Flow: 0.95
Pressure advanced = deactivate
Max Vol = 10

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It would be best with petg to do a temp tower and manual flow ratio calibration plus a PA test with orca slicer when using the texture plate.

Also check out PETG Issues I think it will help you out :crossed_fingers:

Hi, i will take care of this.

@ThanksForAsking i have see your posted videos now. The last one is very useful for a complete Bambu overview!

For that i will take more time to check and understand.

Thanks for all in that questions.

The fittings I printed last were all tight. I have printed several in a row. Even with printed thread, whereby the sealing effect is created by a rubber seal at the flat end of the fitting. Optimally, the thread would also be completely tight. In my opinion, the best way to do this is to print only one or two threads for the entry and to do the rest completely with the tap. As far as the question of the fitting is concerned, I am satisfied for now.

The right temperature is important, as well as the setting Ironing.

For my large print I still need some finishing time. I’m optimistic, but I think the threads printed here will leak later, so I’ll have to think again about how to rework these areas.

Kind regards
DrCarbon

Very conservative settings :ok_hand:

I would suggest recalibration though

Flow rate looks low and I don’t do lidar pressure advance as I’ve found it somewhat inconsistent

The tests take time but each brand, color and type of filament I use now had it’s own profile which makes it a breeze every other time I use that particular variation

The same everything and the lidar scan isn’t always the same which made some prints come out differently or with flaws that I’m able to eliminate by doing it manually just one time for the type and producer of the color I’m printing with

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I would be concerned with your cutting through the layer lines and individual filament lines. I think you will increase the possibility of leaks due to the shearing action of the die pulling layer or filament lines apart.

Oh, you’re quite welcome! I’ve enjoyed watching your progress! :wink: :grin:

I agree, this is a good point. Having the unit cut it’s own threads would indeed be fine for a molded part but as @Sticks says, the pressure on the pulling threads might separate the layers from the tremendous forces, also the area being cut could ā€˜fragment’ rather than ā€˜cut’.

That said, you might be on to something here, it’s an interesting thought. Perhaps you could have the lower threads be ā€œpartial threadsā€ that are mostly there but the insertion does a ā€˜minor cut’ that finishes the structure.
Let me see if I can apply my meager drawing skills to show what I’m thinking. No judging, 1st time using this app. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
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Thread cutting

So the threads are only partly cut. Much less stress but creates a perfect fit.

How sharp are the threads on the mating unit? It’s steel if I recall.

ThanksForAsking - You have pretty much nailed the concept, and the slicer should take care of that by ignoring the final outer dimension if the cad drawing has the major dia under sized.

@Jrock

There are certainly still some settings that can be optimized. In any case, I am glad that the Carbon X1 is delivered set up so that the print results are excellent even with the standard profiles. . :grinning:

Finding the really right print settings for a print material or even an application can be a big challenge. And also a long process. I bought a Carbon X1 specifically because I was tired of constantly solving problems with my predecessors and printing was all too slow. :sweat_smile:

I would also like to work with optimized settings. However, I’m actually a bit too impatient sometimes and would rather continue my projects than print test cubes, if you know what I mean. :laughing:

But I think it is very good that you are deeply engaged with the subject. This knowledge will be very helpful for many others including me.

If I can take the time I will definitely try to optimize this. Do you already have better results to show?

@ThanksForAsking
Do you really think that a thread cut can break the layer? Well, I have now processed different variants in my large print and can therefore say that the thread cut with the tap looks much cleaner and tighter than the printed. Maybe you can explain your drawing again in more detail, I have not really understood what you want to tell me with it.

From everything I’ve read so far, it would be good to have a general collection of printing profiles, especially for different applications and materials and manufacturers. That would probably be very helpful I think.

Kind regards
DrCarbon

Even an excellently printed screw will have slight variations, just as machined threads also do, but they are closer tolerance. Any metal sharp thread screwed on a plastic thread will compromise the plastic thread.

If the plastic was ā€˜molded and solid’ it will be more robust than a ā€˜3D layered print’, but I have no real evidence that it could break the layers. The structure is certainly more fragile but there’s so many factors it could only be proven by destructive testing.

The Drawing - If I read your post correctly you were asking about cutting the threads when assembled. I was suggesting in the drawing that you could have printed accurate threads for the start of the threads (about 2/3), but blunted rounded threads for the final 1/3 of the body, up to the gasket or washer you say you’re using.

The first part would thread easily and it would give you enough torque to cut the final threads which would probably seal better. Just a guess.

I still don’t fully understand what this plug does. It it disassembled often?

It’s a common thing to assemble plastic items with metal screws that cut their threads into a blank hole during 1st assembly, but they are usually much smaller than what I think you’re making (which is the reverse process).

There’s a trick I came up with since I worked on a repair line years ago and had to deal with thousands of metal to plastic screws that were frequently disassembled. The screws would often strip the threads on reassembly.

I discovered that when disassembling them to map what screws came out of what hole, the damage was reduced because the cheap screws had significant variation. Putting them back in the original holes helped a lot!

Further. I found if you rotated the screws counter-clockwise until you heard (and felt) a ā€œclickā€ and then screwed them in clockwise you’d align the threads with the start of the screw’s original pattern, and it would go in very easily and not cut new threads! It’s a ā€œfeelā€ sort of thing that comes with practice, but easily learned. :wink:

With those two tricks the number of failed reassemblies dropped dramatically!

As a result, I never disassemble a plastic / metal interface without laying out the parts so they go back in original holes and turn the opposite direction until the beginning of the threads is found, then drive forward. If ā€˜resistance’ is felt you quickly stop, reverse, and try again.

No idea if this helps you but it’s handy to know. :innocent:

One last thing -

We’ve discussed running Calibrations for the filament before. That is not ā€œtest cubesā€!!!

There are a set of calibrations in OrcaSlicer (which is 95% the same as Studio, it even has all your Projects and Settings shared with Studio so you can switch between them).

You run these test once and save the settings in the Filament Profile. From then on when you load that filament it’s one click to have perfectly dialed in settings for that filament.

I have suggested this to you repeatedly, and you are ignoring me. Others have too. I find that offensive. THIS IS THE SOLUTION TO FULLY HALF OR MORE OF THE ISSUES YOU HAVE WASTED HOURS AND HOURS CHASING, TUNING, REPRINTING AND ASKING FOR ADVICE FOR HERE.

Because you don’t want to print some cubes. It’s NOT cubes.

It’s setting your machine up for the variations in plastics and the individual differences that exist between machines. All told, the process takes about an hour, after which your machine is a finely tuned engine.

PLEASE.

Look at this page (Click Blue Text). It shows the tests your should run, how to do it and what to look for. You don’t need to run them all. They are all pre-prepared tests, most take two clicks then Slice! You don’t have to read tea leaves, just pick the best result and enter a number. Once.

You should do:

  1. Flow Rate (Pass 1), there is a Pass 2 but I have yet to see a difference.
  2. Pressure Advance
  3. Max Flowrate
  4. Temp Tower

Do them in that order. You may not need the 4th.

IF I seem a bit upset it’s because I am. I and other are more than willing to help you as you know, but when we tell you to do a basic thing and you don’t … :rage: :rage:

Plastics vary. A LOT. This is telling your machine how to deal with that plastic. You save it and you’re done. The only time you have to re-do it is if you switch brands (or rarely color within a brand. Yellow can print differently than Black because of additives). You do the new one once and your set.

I’m still willing to help you but do the bloody tests, OK? Grrrrrr.

You even say this very thing here:

THAT IS WHAT I’M TELLING YOU TO DO YOU SILLY PERSON! :grin: :grin: :grin:

Since Text can be hard, I still like you ! OK?

Unfortunately I toss a lot of my trial and error and successful tests in the recycling

My small room is already overflowing with printers, filaments, spare parts and tools

It’s almost like walking through a mine field at this point with only enough room for one person in the captains chair lol

I’m currently doing a print thats 2 days, 18 hours and 21 minutes

After that I’ll do a couple of simple test prints with the factory default settings and my own settings for comparison purposes

Only 2 days left to go :hourglass_flowing_sand:


Hi @ThanksForAsking
I’m sorry you’re angry. It was not meant to be disrespectful, I am very appreciative of any helpful content that improves one’s processes and workflows.

I think I misunderstood you regarding your optimization setting so far. I will look at the appropriate tests and link to and run the tests.

Hi @Jrock
I am excited. I keep my fingers crossed that everything goes well.

Kind regards
DrCarbon

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Well I started with the temperature test for my PET-G according to the menu items.

But I must say, the results look almost all identical. But I would say that 255°C looks the best. (Whereby they all look very nice)

255°C is also the default value in the standard settings. So it seems to fit.

Kind regards
DrCarbon

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Strangely, I can no longer upload screenshots. Is there any limit?

Kind regards

DrCarbon

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Could be the size of the pictures you’re trying to post

I always resize mine to 60% or 1080x2400

No, thats not the problem.
I have tried this already.

I got the message Acces Denied