Thanks to everybody that contributes to or comments in the thread. The only other option atm is to join the doom and gloom that is the outside of the other section. Its like the upside down for a minute. You guys keep the fun rolling.
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@StreetSports is correct, the x1 will almost always produce better, faster prints then almost, if not all other consumer 3d printers.
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I personally am not a big Prusa fan. Their printers are basically Bambu Lab printers but downgraded.
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Where are you getting your evidence from this for? Do you have every single flagship printer on the market? Or are you just saying this because you love your A1 Mini?
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I have an A1, not an A1 mini. Also no need to be hostile! The bambu lab printers just have more features, produce better quality prints, and are very fast. Me and some friends together have a wide range of 3d printers from Bambu Lab to Prusa and beyond.
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Not trying to be hostile, just wondering as it seems like an unsupported claim to make, especially with all the new printers released in the last few months like the K2, Core one, and Any cubic Kobra S1. I do think that Bambu printers produce exceptional quality, but not exactly sure itâs the best.
Based off of my testing, Bambu Lab has the best overall printers (and I tested everything).
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Has anyone here tried printing with a Chube Hotend, or anything similar? It looks as though it quickly moves a lot of plastic so that you could build big massive objects reasonably fast.
I am eagerly awaiting the TPU prints, especially how hard it is to remove the prints from that sandpaper bed. 
I wouldnât be so quick to discount Prusa. I like my Bambu. I probably wouldnât go for the Prusa Mini or MK4, but I think the XL and Core one are both enticing printers.
Numerous print test have shown all of Prusaâs offerings to be high in the print quality.
I do, honestly, trust Prusa, too. I trust their products. I donât think itâs fair to say theyâre inferior to Bambu. They are just focused different, if anything. I feel the politics of things kind of muddy the waters and opinions. The past few days have been particularly bad for that.
I donât know. why would some of you go for Creality over Prusa? If you werenât worried so much about budget. would you get a K2 over a Core one? If you want something you can feel confident in, wouldnât Prusa be at the top of that list; if you werenât going BambuâŚ? What holds you back from taking the Core one serious vs what Bambu is doing?
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Like I told my friend who asked what printer I would buy. If the Prusa CORE One was out when I was ready to purchase my X1C, Iâd have gotten the Prusa in a heart beat. They make solid printers, have great support, and are well trusted; pretty hard to beat. But after owning my X1C, Iâd have purchase it over a Prusa CORE One, mostly because I like the ecosystem Bambu has built. Itâs brought so many interesting and fun things to 3D printing, that Iâd be hard pressed to look elsewhere.
I honestly donât mind Creality printers, my first was the ever so popular Ender 3. As long as you understand that they position themselves to mimic whatâs popular and try to push everyone to race to the bottom. They make okay printers, just donât expect super high quality, though given StreetSports review, maybe they are changing? Iâm on the market for something like the K2, so depending what the near future looks like, it very well may be my next printer.
What Iâm really interesting in at the moment is for @StreetSports to get the rest of his Ratrig vcore 4 idex kit and review it. Itâs currently at the top of my list of printers I want, mostly because it ticks almost every box that Iâm looking for. Plus with the release of the Box Turtle AFC, itâd tick even more boxes! I just hope he doesnât get sidetracked getting a pony to go with that free saddle.
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Iâd suggest printing the Calilantern (Calilantern Calibration Tool â Vector 3D) on each printer in your fleet, and then perform the recommended measurements and use the included spreadsheet to measure the skew in each of the three axis. Why? It was discussed at length in one of the other threads, but reportedly certain types of engineering 3D prints become failures if certain demanding tolerances canât be met, so youâd probably rather know well in advance what the actual tolerances are for your particular printer, rather than be caught off-guard and become frustrated as you transform expensive filament into scrap.
Dimensionally Inaccurate Parts Being Produced by X1C - #54 by jrovito
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Damn, why are people starting to charge for these prints. I guess times are changing. And who doesnt accept paypal?
@RandomKhaos The final RatRig box will be here Friday. I have sat-tues off, so should be able to start it this weekend.
Tried the saddle. Its a bit tight in mid section lol. Gonna strap it to the dog next Halloween
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K. Just started the calilantern on P1s, X1c, plus 4, k2 plus and Prusa XL. If anybody would like to join in with other printers, just try and use bambu matte pla.
All bambu matte charcoal. Mancave goes Brrrrr
Still drying the TPU to make sure the printers have the best chance at making nice boats.
@NeverDie I love that the âengineerâ that popped into that thread to say the accuracy is good enough, had been part of the forum for over 1 year but only read a few hours. What are the odds that they happened to see that thread on the one day they visited? And I havnt seen them since
Have to add this partâŚAnybody that thinks any specific company sucks or copies other companies, I challenge you to really dig in and see what they have offered over the years. Whether it be a belt printer, fast resin printer, laser cutter, filament dryer, core xy before other companies even existed etc. And also compare those designs to other designs that were already in the market at the time. I think sometimes, people get it all backwards and think the innovators are the copy cats while their favorite brands may be completely based on previous designs. Some brands are also trying to hit really low prices. If a brand shows up and charges 4 times as much for a printer, I hope its 4 times as good. When price points are even, we see that the outcomes are usually fairly even also.
Nobody has been able to compete with bambus whole software network though. Its buttery smooth. Again, somewhat borrowed (and made far better) from existing designs. Also, the mini is a unicorn at that price point.
I gotta get that saddle out of my truck. Been stinking it up this whole time.
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I appreciate that. Itâs pretty easy to develop a bias against something when youâve had to struggle with their stuff, ignoring all the good they have brought. So easy to turn on the blinders when thereâs a new hotness in town 
What are you going to do with that thing?
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I honestly have no idea. If one of you have a miniature horse/pony (I think they are called chetlin ponies or something), ill ship it to you. Its a really high quality, hand made saddle
So far, all of the calilantern prints look identical. All perfect, visually.
Nonscientific sound test. by standing in front of each printer running the same .stl at the same speeds.
All have the doors open to keep it fair and the xl doesnt have an enclosure.
From highest volume to lowest This isnt the most sound, but the highest volume of the sound.
-Prusa xl. Loudest because of the head travel/belt noise. No fan noises heard but movements give off a somewhat higher pitch tone from the steppers and belts. Also the lack of enclosure. Sucks because while its actually printing, it gives off the least noise. Just realized its because of the sheet metal they used to surround the x and y axis
-X1c and P1s have the same volume. You guys can each run the print and open the door for an example. Theres plenty of noise.
-qidi Plus 4 mostly motor/belt sound while traveling. Very low fan noises
-K2 Plus low fan noises heard when the door is open.
This is the one that actually blocks almost all sound with the door shut. Pretty impressive with dual exhaust, dual aux and hotend fans. I may try and mod these aux fans into my bambus. Probably the same voltage and plugs
Most sounds from most to least
-x1c/p1s loud af now that Iâm actually paying attention and comparing.
-Plus4
-k2 plus
-XL
Flushing overall loudness. From highest to lowest
-Plus 4 (I thought something crashed the first time i heard it. It flings the poop out with some force)
-k2 Plus. (The cutting portion is the loud part. Its not messing around. No waiting, stops printing, slaps the currer and shoots over to the toilet. Also thought there was a crash the first time)
-x1C/P1S
-xl (poops a single long thin terd off the starboard bow. Wipes its butt across the front handle of the plate lol.
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Now that you mention it, I think I may have erred in posting the link to him. IIRC, the person I meant to link to was a guy who loudly complained that he could get much better accuracy on his Prusa MK3 than on his X1C, which was a surprise to me. Iâm unsure now whether his post was on that thread or a different one.
Anyhow, after much discussion by a whole cadre of smart people on more than one thread in this forum, it came to light that indeed Bambu was entirely missing a way to compensate for skew on two of the three axis. It seemed that Bambu was aware of the issue but was either moving very slowly at finding a solution or perhaps not at all. IIRC, that same cadre of talented and smart Bambu forum users worked out a way to solve the problem, with little to no help from Bambu.
But wait, thereâs more to the story. I seem to remember they submitted a pull request for Bambu to incorporate their solution, and thatâs about where I lost track of it all. Anyone know whether their solution got adopted, or whether they instead got the brush off, or was the matter perhaps resolved in some other way? 
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Ok, this is super time consuming. Even required me dusting off the old excel. I have to work tonight, so have to go to bed soonish. Ill continue these tests throughout the week, but so far I only have results for the X1C. Takes forever because you have to take each measurement 3 times, zeroing the caliper in between. Ill also be doing the TPU tests throughout the week. Sorry, ran out of time but will get it done.
The print finishing order(really shows start/heat up speed except with the XL). All within a minute, with the xl lagging behind a full 10 minutes for some reason.
X1C
P1s
Plus4
K2 Plus
XL
-BambuX1C- (unmodded with 360ish hours)
-Creality K2 Plus (nearly brand new and kinda cheating with its closed loop steppers.)
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