ā¦ i can still see Prusaās color scheme on the left sideā¦ There must be love @ first sight between the AI and Prusaā¦ now that would change DALL-Eās classification from plain AI to sentient being*, wonāt it?!?
3-4k seems really expensive tho.
I think it will be more something around the 2k.
And 2.5k for the combo
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Yep. AI image generators are not trained by exploring reality, they are trained with sets of photos taken by humans. All of their ācreationsā have a comforting human eye, while filled with a confabulation of slightly-off-the-mark real objects. Thatās because they are not created at all, at least not in a sense that we as humans know. AI output is simply a snapshot of the values provided by a massive probability matrix pre-trained on things of our conscious choosing.
Itās this rehash instead of the novel creativity that arises through being a participant-observer on this planet that is the trademark of all of todayās AI - both image generators and LLMs.
Iād say that X1E at 2500 is not considered āprosumerā by their own marketing blurb: āBambu Lab X1E For professionals and engineering applicationsā.
Traditionally, each generation of tech brings incremental price increases only for hot new features, as itās assumed that all features that were present in the previous generation are āa givenā.
So if people are saying that Bambu flagship gen2 is ok at 3x of the current price of X1C, I canāt help but wonder what sort of features it would need to have to justify such.
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The way I see their messagjng is that this will be above the x series. Currently, the X series is X1c and X1e. Otherwise, not sure why they would include the word series.
Not only this but it will be larger, new series and new tech all at the same time. I would agrree with the $2k ish mark, if it were only one or even 2 of those things.
Just larger size alone can warrant a double in price. Tech can also do it. Look at the x1c at double the price of p1s. Or x1e at double the price of x1c. Even the mini at half the price of the A1 .You can see where this is heading. Bambu likes to double for tech and double for size
$2k will make the current lines pricingā¦off a bit.
I guess, if they replaced the whole line at the same release, it could work. Like if they also made an X2De and X2d along side the X2DXL at the same time. Obviously guessing on the naming
They have stated that they plan to keep selling the X1C, and that this will be a higher-end machine positioned above it. In the Mac world, you can get an M4 machine inexpensively which is great and more power than most humans will ever useā¦or you can spend 2x-4x to get an M4 Pro or M4 Maxā¦both complete overkill for 95% of uses. But, the people in the 5% of uses who need the power will pay for it. They are creating a segmented market with aspirational upgrade paths. Capitalism 101, Chapter 1. Ehhā¦maybe youād get to this in Chapter 2 or 3 
I do hope they āfreshen upā the X1C though. Maybe unlock 310-320 on the hotend. And/or add some QOL featuresā¦like Prusa did with MK3/MK3s MK4/MK4sā¦
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An XL is 4.5k currently and that without enclosure and other add-ons. And thereās plenty of hobbyists and regular users who bought it, and even more want and spare to buy it. That should tell something. And prosumer can be almost anyone whoās deep into 3d printing, especially with more technical/engineering/r&d stuff, but not necessarily just that. Anyway, aināt worth debating back and forth on what price will be charged for gen2. Weāll find out soon enough. Q1 is just around the corner. Personally, Iāll still think, based on what is now known publicly, and comparing the various prices Bambu charged for A1, P1 and X1 series, that gen 2 it will reach the 3k mark, if not more.
you mean 2.5-3k for dual head
and from what i hear, their support is head and shoulders above BL
As Iāve said earlier, Q1 aināt that far from now. Weāll soon find out if your estimate, or mine, was far or close to the mark.
3k or above for whole gen2 package. Sort of take it or leave it kind of thing. And theyāll have no choice but to price it high, so to maintain their prices as they are (or a bit less, but not by much) for the gen1 series.
Hey but itās not like BL were following the prusa prices. At the contrary, itās more 1/2 of the prusa price.
And the X1C is now at 1050ā¬.
So their new printer will not be 3 times more expensive
I see a lot of talk and hopes about this and thatā¦ I just hope you guys wonāt be disappointed. Remember, even if Bambu releases something overkill, there are companies already ahead because they took too long Also, a company that tries to keep secrets, normally has nothing that big to show. That is marketing and hype doing itās thing. Big mouth, small stomach
I donāt think that, and i may be mistaken, 2025 will be as nice as 2024 was to Bambu Lab.
Maybe by 2026 they start shipping their ānever done beforeā machine 
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Iām not sure to understand what youāre saying ^^`
What i am saying isā¦ donāt get hyped 
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yep. I really think that what really keeps Bambu afloat is its printers and the fact that they do sell well, because otherwise, their (already infamous) customer support, logistics and delivery issues would have burned and buried their business, long ago.
Iām really wondering how long will they survive that wayā¦ the gen 2, if it really delivers what they claim, might gain them some breathing room and a life extension of a year, maybe 2, snd that only if its competitors wont catch up with them or even overstep them. Remains to be seen.
With over 1 million printers sold, I really donāt think they are on life support ^^`
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Trust numbers and satisfaction. Also, i have a feeling that Prusa will overcome Bambu during 2025. They have a few more surprises up theirs sleeves.
Also pay attention to Creality, they will also step up their game. Anycubic is coming hot too with the S1 but as always, software is the department where they are lacking.
Many ārivalā companies are stepping up and learning with Bambu. Some for the better, others not so much. But from what i know, and i am sure, 2025 will be a nice year for 3D printing.
Formnext was good and showed lots of things. And as a worker there, also showing some 3D āprintingā stuff from the company i work for, gave us a few insights that i did not heard anywhere elseā¦stillā¦ i bet something will leak in the following weeks/months
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About time for a Prusa xls update
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What took $1500 out of my pocket for a printer that costs $850 (X1C) today: 4 times faster than an S1 Creality, color changing system, 37mm larger, first layer and Spagetti detection and printjobs of at least 5-6 months and currently I have a maximum load of printers of just 10-20% because now good printers are very cheap and at speed - how much more can you get out of it?
TPU changing system is set at 450 USD, unlimited length at 800 USD. So if something came along that took $1,500 out of my pocket, they already would shout it out from every rooftop with the last breafe of there lungs.
And most likely 1 million customers complaining of Bambuās poor joke of so called customer supportā¦ and poor deliveries, yeahā¦
As for revenues and getting life support, do tell me that again, after Stratasys gets an indictment ruling and damages in those 2 lawsuits for violation of its IPRs.
The current Bambuās audience are the average Jane and Joe, starting their out-of-the-box trip down the 3d printing lane, not the hardened tinkerers or high end engineering pros. These people expect support, especially when their wonder out-of-the-box printers, for which theyāve paid dearly, start creating problems and require expert support, and spares, and other stuff they donāt get. I know of a few businesses who have started great, doing extremely well, sales wise, but fell because they havenāt thought of logistics, spare storagr andā¦ guess what elseā¦ yeah, youāve got it: poor customer support. They were dead in the water 3 years later, despite having a great product.