they have till end of march 
thats what they said 1st quarter of the year 2025
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That doesnāt mean they wonāt push it further, in Q2, if that delay suits them.
I dont think they would do that to us again but yeah if they have to they have to
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Itās their printer launchā¦and itās your wait timeā¦ And theyāll have to, if they (or the printer) aināt ready.
Iām just glad they went with the X1C/AMS colors. Definitely buying this since itāll match!
Circling back to this: the price is now posted. MSRP $349. I think for most people that will be a hard sell, as you can buy a more capable entry-level blast oven for about the same, or even less if you shop around. The Sunlu would be more compact, though. The early-bird price is $279, and I have a hunch that early-bird price may become the standard price fairly quickly, as that seems to be the general pattern for a lot of āearly birdā discounts of late, or so it seems to me.
Regardless, whatās interesting is that Sunlu evidently foresee a strong enough need in the market that would justify spending that kind of money. And I agree with that. Itās just that when it comes to filament dryer discussion in the Bambu forums here, I notice the emphasis is on spending only a rock bottom budget, and then by most people only after voicing extreme reluctance, and everyone else denying that anything is needed at all and therefore unwilling to spend anything at all. Usually one or the other.
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I think all the heated chamber printers have created a demand for a hotter dryer. I bet by this time next year, we will have a printer under $5000 that will do Peek. I havnt tried, but I bet we can already print PEI in some printers. Once this happens, material costs will also go down. Nylon was expensive af and near impossible to print at one point. Back when Taulman was one of the only companies making it.
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@StreetSports Good point! I have no experience printing PEI to draw upon, but looking it up it allegedly requires a chamber temperature of 80c to 120c. Well, heated chambers that can go to 65C is fast becoming the new normal on newer enclosed printers. From that perspective 80C seems like it could be achievably close as āthe next thing.ā Or maybe the chemists will devise a modified PEI that prints well at 65C, similar to how you can buy āeasy ABSā filaments today that print at lower than standard ABS temperatures.
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ā¬ 307 for the very early bird on this side of the pond. Quite pricey.
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Iām not surprised. Aside from 3DLac, dimafix, and possibly Rat Rig, Prusa, and MagiGoo, isnāt that true of nearly everything thatās related to 3D printing on your side of the pond? Par for the course, as it were.
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Price in the EU are with VAT included.
VAT = another State-owned form of stealing from peopleās revenues (a supratax created by France in the 50s and adopted by other European states to supplement their incomes)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-added_tax#:~:text=The%20modern%20variation%20of%20VAT,introduced%20it%20domestically%20in%201958.
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You are correct in your assumption, and actually this principle does work very well. Sadly, as @Henlor pointed out, and it skipped my mind when replying, itās about the end consumers supra-taxation for any products or services by the always money starving governments, by adding VAT (value added tax) on top of any purchase priceā¦ I wonāt go into details here (not the place nor the time) about why adding VAT on top of the purchasing price is practically a state-regulated form of theft , but if interested, you could google it.
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@NeverDie Itās the equivalent the the sales tax in the US. But itās way higher. The average sales tax percentage is 5.1% and the average VAT is 21.6% ^^`
And the prices in the EU are always displayed with VAT included for consumer products.
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Iām not sure if VAT is already included in the EU, at least not for deliveries to Switzerland, which is not in the EU. So they must therefore deliver to Switzerland without VAT which has to be collected separately.
But whatever, growth of over 25% is unhealthy and deliveries may be a bit difficult at the moment, my X1C is working and thatās a good thin, donāt have to think about it.
Funny enough, a comment about why old printers should be sold when you can sell new ones - well, there are reasons why Iāve never looked at a K2.
If youāre a business, and purchase with a VAT number, you get the product or service invoiced without VAT. Actually, businesses are transferring the VAT from each other through invoicing to the end consumer (end buyer) whoās charged with the VAT on top of the acquisition price.
@Hank , Switzerland does charge VAT as well, only itās way much lower than in the EU (8.1%). And it is important to note that Swiss VAT is only levied on products in Switzerland. If you buy something in another country (i.e. the EU member states, or from elsewhere), you will not pay Swiss VAT (but likely foreign VAT). And if you order something from another country, you will not directly pay Swiss VAT, but the Swiss Import Tax, which is loosely based on the Swiss VAT.
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Yeah The VAT amounts tot he VAT % of the country you have purchased the product but then it is ācomparedā to the VAT % in your country and if your country has bigger VAT% you need to pay the diferenceā¦ When i order from Germany lots of time after entering my address & country i get to pay even more than the product is listed. Now days more and more web stores adjust the price after you enter from which country you are.
My take on all of that is that if itās a tax you have to pay anyway, itās not really a āhigher priceā that has anything to do with the seller. Itās just how your country elects to collect its taxes, though I understand there may be some nuance where you could theoretically not pay it from a vendor already in your country. Anyway, probably should end it there, as weāre getting into the weeds with this, which I tried to avoid by deleting my earlier post, but apparently too late.
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Itās not a problem discussing it, at least from where I stand. Every bit of info could sometimes prove really useful at one time or another. It could also help others avoid unnecessary or unwanted additional costs.
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