Whatever floats your boat…
Guys you’re getting off topic. We are here to discuss the good and bad of the P2S printer and if it is worth getting over a P1S or an X1C
I expect carbon rods will be feature on X2C
Maybe the X2 will have some sort of hybrid tool changer and regular toolhead to become the higher up version of the P2S.
Im planning on modding my P2S if i get one. I saw that i can drill a hole and add a 60mm brushless fan to the back for actual filtering. Any ideas on what port to wire it into to make it work when its supposed to? And if i cant do the mod, will just drilling a hole behind the carbon filter actually filter it or will it just be another hole for fumes to escape.
I second that. For some of my prints, it’s nice to have the bells and whistles of my H2D with multiple AMS modules. But for a vast majority of my printing, it’d be nice to have the four P1S printers you have. I can only imagine how much faster my projects would get done!
Wait i just realized a way to stop the fumes from leaking out of the printer. I just block the cool air fan on the botton right side of the printer and then i can install the auxilary fan on the left side, so air inside is recycled and cleaned while cool air is added. Will this work? I mean it would be best if cool air came in and fumes went out. Maybe theres a way to reverse the cool air intake on the left and add some sort of filter there.
Also is there any other way to mod the P2S to have a sufficient cooling air intake and a sufficient air filter system because the P2S right now has only cool air coming in, but not a good and fully efficient filter system.
The printer isn’t sealed, it will just leak out everywhere else.
A stand alone air filter will also provide certification of quality of filtration. The printer doesn’t carry any certification of filtration.
Not now, wait for Black Friday.
This is wise. One doesn’t have to always get the newest. If P1S meets one’s printing needs, wait for the big sale (there will be, now that P2S is out) and get a bunch. The same goes for X1C when X2C comes out.
Although carbon rods are lighter, hollow steel rods are easier to maintain. Now that BL has made that trafe-off on P2S, I think carbon rods will also be out on X2C. Whether or not X2C will get linear rails is another question.
I am wondering if I’m doing the carbon rod maintenance wrong, because what I’ve been doing seems very easy. I just wipe the carbon rods down about once a week with a microfiber cloth wetted with 99.9% IPA, making sure that I get in several final wipes that come back completely clean. From what I can see, that’s all that BL recommends.
I don’t think the trade off was maintenance, it was more likely cost and supply chain challenges in getting reliable parts. The juice just wasn’t worth the squeeze.
You are not doing it wrong. If you are cleaning weekly then you are doing a lot more than me. I do it once every 2 or 3 months so the maintenance is minimal for me. But I print mostly PLA. I heard that people who print engineering filaments need to clean up a lot more and expressed that they would have preferred the smooth and polished surface of steel rods. For most of us though, this can feel like BL is fixing something that is not broken.
Can be. Another reason can be cost. Carbon rods are more expensive than steel rods due to complex manufacturing process. The saving can be part of the reasons that the price of P2S is not much over P1S.
Carbon rods may also have inconsistency issues, meaning one carbon rod may differ from another much more than a steel rod from another steel rod.
So the problem(s) that BL is trying to solve can be on their end instead of on our end.
The Snapmaker U1, which is still in preorder, is being introduced with carbon rods that look just like what Bambu has been using since the original X1.
I’m not trying to beat a dead horse, but I’m holding out the tiniest sliver of hope that there will be an X2-Carbon that retains the carbon rods for even faster printing with more powerful motors, stronger belts, and a stiffer chassis.
That’s like McLaren saying “We equaled the performance of last year’s model by making the replacement both heavier and more powerful.”
How can anything be much easier and more ‘predictable’ than wiping down carbon rods with isopropyl alcohol now and then? You don’t even have to oil them after cleaning, like you do with steel rods.
But that is literally what they do…
The McLaren f1 weighs 2513 lbs and has 627 horsepower with a top speed of 240 mph. While the McLaren speedtail weighs 3153 lbs and has 1036 hp with a top speed of 250 mph. There are other reasons, but just pointing out that it is a bad analogy.
These are just business decisions. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Why complain about the loss of carbon rods when steel rods be cheaper and stronger while maintaining similar or better functionality.
Admittedly, the strength argument between the two is not a concern for the average user. I think that there is somewhere in testing where Bambu had failures of the carbon rods in long term testing. Just a theory.
My analogy is spot on since we are talking about acceleration. The Speedtail accelerates from 0-300 kph in 12.8 seconds while the F1 takes 22.0 seconds to do the same. The Speedtail is electronically limited to 250 mph based on what the tires can handle.
Because the printer would likely perform better with a lower mass carriage that used carbon rods, even if nothing else changed. I’d rather have higher performance than what I have now rather than just the same.
I think that it’s more likely that economic factors, perhaps looming tariffs, drove the decision to switch to steel at the last minute. The P2S rendered images on the Bambu website seem to be showing matte finish carbon rods rather than shiny steel. But neither of us really knows, as I’m sure you will agree.
Ok. I can see what you mean. But you also did contradict your analogy because the older vehicle is still slower accelerating than the newer one. You have to think “what other reasons are there for the changes?”. Why did McLaren decide to use a twin turbo V8 in the Speedtail if the NA V12 in the F1 was able to get the job done? Just two ways to do the same job.
From an engineering perspective, you have to take into account the balance of components. You can put a large turbocharger on a honda civic and go “Brrrrr Stu-tu-tu-tu-tu”, but the car wont be balanced. In the case of the P2S, yes there is a different material, but the system has been engineered to mitigate the issues that using different components costs.
Would the printer perform better with carbon rods? No. It was not meant to use them. If you would swap them out, you would cause changes in the printers kinematics. It’s a design choice that causes no harm. There are always reasons outside of money.
Yes, of course it would. Bambu Labs would not just slap the carbon rods in without adjusting the firmware to operate properly with the lower mass carbon rods.
I think that we are talking at cross purposes here. I never suggested that hobbyists, with no access to the P2S firmware source code, could just swap rods around and make the printer work better.
I think we will be granted with more powerful motors, stronger belts and stiffer chassis. Carbon rods are probably gone. We will lose some speed, hopefully not much.
The upgraded X series may have linear rails, to go with vision encoder and Vortek.