For some people when they demand flat. They will pay any price just to say it’s flat. Even very close is not acceptable. 
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Indeed. However, it’s not a P1P, so comparing it to the price of a P1P is a bit silly. You’d probably also think the creator of this plate paid way to much for the machinery/materials, design time, and years of education it took too make it. But, I digress. Like most everything in life, you’re paying for the outcome and not the cost of the raw materials used to make the product.
Look around you. There are cheaper (or more expensive) versions of nearly everything in life. Fortunately, there are enough people in the world who see the value in not always buying the cheapest products available – else we wouldn’t be able to have nice things like this.
The last thing I’ll say on price (as you probably won’t relate to any of this anyhow) – I can tell you I spent at least 20 times the cost of this plate in purchasing products and using my personal time to attempt to resolve this issue. It took me less than a day to sell enough products produced on a single P1P to cover the cost.
The only thing that would likely make the price lower is if these plates were mass produced. Since they clearly aren’t for most Bambu Lab printers owners (like yourself), I don’t think that will ever happen.
For anyone thinking of buying this plate, the creator has a really thorough description of the solution it offers here. If that does not resonate with you, then this plate is probably not for you.
TL;DR: I’d buy the P1P + the 3018 plate all day until Bambu Lab produces a printer bed with the same flatness. The added cost is next to nothing if you’re using P1P printers to make money.
No, this is perfectly fine, to put prices into perspective.
And there are tons of things that I could say from the article you pointed, literally one bullshit per sentence, like :
… the build surface exhibits greater thermal stability and is less sensitive to slight drafts. An added benefit of this thermal stability is less down time between prints…
Pure comercial bullshit, this is inherent of the added mass and that’s not wanted, but its turned as if it was a super studied feature.
less sensitive to slight drafts
What ?!?
Anyway, I won’t loose my time debunk all sentences on this website article… and will try to keep my answer short.
But as I wont like this thread become a scam advertisement place, I will just recall to people that severals cheaper and simple solutions have been given by a cupple of people in this same thread for a while know. And that in the case of high banana shape, you can still ask Bambulab to replace your bed.
Having said that, everyone is free to spent $260 to whatever he want…
I really have to think of selling my super high premium technologie antivibration printer feets and approved by several doctors, I wonder if $99.99 would be a good price ? or maybe my hypercube calibration made only with premium quality plastic and made by experts with several years of experiences. Ho noooo I got a better idea ! selling hyper high and strong premium quality neodium magnets, hum 10 for $49.99 maybe, I promess I made them myself 
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The added cost is next to nothing if you’re using P1P printers to make money.
This is not related to the absolute price, this is a related to ratio of price vs services & raw materials, I wont pay $1 for something that should cost 20 cents even if I could easily afford hundreds of items.
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Frankly this is literally hilarious ?!
This is some kind of dropshipping website, and they are making special offer, this is so original I have never seen that anywhere
They just have bough new dices ?
I guess you mean the Good Plate? Which other solutions are you referring to?
FWIW, I was previously using borosilicate glass (because I like the smooth finish). That made the bed flatter, but not as flat as the 3018 plate (which doesn’t flex at all). Also, the 3018 plate doesn’t require any kind of additional modifications to the bed – like permanently/semi-permanently adhering it to the printer bed or designing clamps to keeps it from moving around when printing. Any less expensive solutions you propose are trading time (and likely quality) for money. If you’re selling 3D printed products (like me), saving time and making more money always makes more sense.
It sounds like you’re talking about scam products now. That’s an entirely different topic. Until you’ve tried the 3018 plate, I don’t think you’re qualified to determine whether or not it’s a scam. At this point, all you can really assert is that you don’t like it solely based on the price (which is fair).
I don’t know your background or history of work experience, but are you saying you own the type of machinery that is used to make products like this, have sourced the materials needed to produce it, and have the knowledge to design and actually create this product? If not, we’re now just back to you not liking the price.
Since you’ve been in this thread for some time, you already know this is not a solution for the minority that needs the flattest possible printing surface. Those who have swapped their beds are either getting something in return that’s a little bit better or a little bit worse. None are coming back with praises of beds that are within .005 inches flat across the entire surface. And for the low price of these P1P printers, that’s probably to be expected.
If not, we’re now just back to you not liking the price.
You are right, I dont like the price and I also don’t like the way this product is over-advertised as a super advanced technologie and blabla…
I don’t know your background or history of work experience, but are you saying you own the type of machinery that is used to make products like this, have sourced the materials needed to produce it, and have the knowledge to design and actually create this product? If not, we’re now just back to you not liking the price.
Well actually I think that I am not the only one who can :
- make a damnly simple CAD file
- send it to a manufacturer
- buy and stick neodium magnet on it
We’ve partnered with a leading US based machinist
07.19.2023 Update: Product has arrived and is being assembled.
Production samples have been received from our machine shop confirming accuracy, tooling, processes and repeatability. We’ve also obtained final quotes from our vendors
And this is not me who have spoken about that price is related to the cost of raw material
Materials have been fluctuating like mad, moving forward we expect some volatility in the pricing, but have locked the initial run at 259USD
No more than $3 per Kilo, as the whole plate have to be less than about 500g to be sure to avoid any weight related problem, probably in their case I would guess around 300g of aluminium/alloy plate ?
It would be interresting, if they give the exact alloy used, and please dont tell me they made a super secret alloy themself…
Fair. And you don’t have to like that. As someone who purchased the product, I can tell you it works exactly as advertised. That’s all I was attempting to share above.
It’s quite comical that you think products/services should be priced solely on the cost of the raw materials used to solve the problem. Unless you’re lucky enough to not have had to work a day in your life, you should already know that’s not the case from your own experience. I’d pay big bucks to be a fly on the wall the first time a plumber comes to your house, fixes the problem in 10 minutes, and sends you an $800 bill.
5mm thickness with sixteen 20mm diameter neodium magnet placement 30$ per plate for a small batch of only 50 plates, but if you prefer you can get it in titanium for about 300$…
I’d pay big bucks to be a fly on the wall the first time a plumber comes to your house, fixes the problem in 10 minutes, and sends you an $800 bill.
Having knowledge does not authorize to cheat people, it is not fair, and that’s why “commercial competition” exist, and that’s also why it is forbidden in many country that different society in the same domain agree to a common price.
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Unless you’re lucky enough to not have had to work a day in your life, you should already know that’s not the case from your own experience
I started my own business in 2013, It was a computer software development society, so nearly 100% services, clients was mainly big society BTB (no individuals / no BTC), we only made creations or optimisation of other software, I closed it on 2021, the reason was that it was getting bigger and bigger and that I was doing more and more managment and no more what I liked the most wich is more engineering related. About the cost it was quite simple, the real price (time * employee salary/h + other business expenses) + 30% and up to 45% commercial margin depending on the technicality/difficulties/risks.
If you sell only one product per month with a real make cost of $100, you cannot sell it $3000 and argue that’s fair because you sell only one per month.
You have to find other ways, crowdfunding, ask investor, banks, use your own money, and so on. If your idea is good you will find the money to wait until you sell enough to make some benefit, this is how all startup start since their existence.
Nobody closes a business that was becoming more and more successful – thus making more and more money year over year. If you don’t like managing people, you should have taken your profits and hired someone who enjoys that type of work.
Everything is easy (and cheap) until you actually do it. Please report back after you get your custom plate manufactured at PCBWay.
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Hello everyone, I laser-cut a steel sheet (4mm thinkness with holes for the magnets) the size of the print bed to place between the print bed and the textured plate. It made the print bed perfectly flat. The issue is that when I run the auto bed leveling in the first phase, the bed comes into contact with the print head too forcefully about three times, and then the auto calibration stops. How can I resolve this problem?
What does it say? Any error message?
this error: 0300 0B00 0001 0001
but when i remove thet steel sheet it works normally.
how can i solve this?
The seller is probably overpaying because hes ordering a few at a time. Otherwise, these should be dirt cheap. Just a guess but its probably not 7075. They peobably made a jig for the cnc mill and now just swap a plate and hit go. Companies pick their price though. I mean an a1 mini costs less than an ams unit. That makes 0 sense also. One could say an ams unit should be $150
Hum, not sure, but maybe :
Sometime when the bed leveling only do few touch and stop, is when it consider that the bed is pretty flat and did not move since last bed leveling and so that latest bed leveling measurements are still good and it consider that full bed leveling is not require and use the latest bed leveling values.
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Or your plate is too heavy, steel sheet you say ? wich weight ?
Yes, part of the explanation is that they probably paid a lot too much by only ordering a few parts from a manufacturer who makes the plates for them, now they have to get the money back…
But that doesn’t change the whole idea of this drop shipping site, which is to make money on “fragile”/technically unaware people using all well know bullshit commercial tricks. I can still be wrong, but after digging into their website archive/history (waybackmachine) and reading their whole super-plate explanation, this tends to make me feel I am right.
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This thread is in somehow responsible of this.
At first it was pointing a real problem which is the banana’s beds, but now people are looking for µm precision beds, wich is a no sens.
Seems that everyone forgot that we are taliking about plastic filament 3d printing.
On large part printing there are lot of things that can make the part do not keep it bottom as flat as the bed it has been printed on,
From a real problem “banana bed” we are now on a mystical problem of perfectness flat bed.
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I agree. If I cared enough, I would buy a $5 mirror and apply a magnetic sheet to the back of it. If the mirror is bent, it will distort the reflection.
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Probably is too heavy, is there a way to bypass this problem and get a autobed leveling working?
You may try to increase z stepper current motor, look at the printer g-code start profile, it contain current motor settings, try to increase it a little, be aware that it may have unwanted effect.
Thats what I was thinking. Wondering if the load sensors are already partially activated and thats why its smacking into the nozzle.
How much? Another thing is: when i do an autohome it works perfectly doing some touches in the textured plate. but the ABL goes too up hitting the nozzle 2 times and then stops e lower the plate mid-height
From the g-code you can use 0.4 up to 0.75 (0.75 being the default)
M17 Z0.4 ; lower the z-motor current
G380 S2 Z30 F300 ; G380 is same as G38; lower the hotbed , to prevent the nozzle is below the hotbed
G380 S2 Z-25 F300 ;
G1 Z5 F300;
G90
M17 X1.2 Y1.2 Z0.75 ; reset motor current to default
So maybe you can try to modify a little the bed levelling part :
;===== bed leveling ==================================
M1002 judge_flag g29_before_print_flag
M622 J1M1002 gcode_claim_action : 1 G29 A X{first_layer_print_min[0]} Y{first_layer_print_min[1]} I{first_layer_print_size[0]} J{first_layer_print_size[1]} M400 M500 ; save cali dataM623
;===== bed leveling end ================================
by adding before :
M17 Z0.85 ; upper the z-motor current
and after
M17 Z0.75 ; reset the z-motor current
But I have not tested it, and I dont recommend this as it wont work from the printer menu, it will only help when doing auto-bed levelling before when printing.
I am afraid you have to use a thinner steel sheet or another material, aluminium is still a very good candidate if you dont bend it and manage to put it on top of the original aluminium plate, but you MUST NOT stick it because if so, it will follow the curvature of the orignal bed. Also it is a good idea to add thermal grease to fill all the air’s gaps and ensure a good thermal conductivity between the two plates.