Oh, man, really, I’m not reading all that, short attention span n all,… maybe that’s why I’ve never worked out how to buy a car or two ![]()
Bambu marketing is very targeted, either at engineers or artistic creatives, rarely both at once. Compare the X2D and A2L promotional materials.
This forum skews heavily towards engineers.
Whoever is the first company to get a 3d printer into every house is going to make so much money, and they will do it riding on the back of a multi-coloured flexi-dragon. While the engineers look on going “What a rubbish printer, it can’t make nylon exhaust manifolds.”
Plus, filament stock at Bambu Lab UK is consistently unavailable, so my printer has sat idle for two weeks now due to lack of filament stock, it’s infuriating
You can use third party filament with Bambu machines. You’re not locked in to it and you won’t invalidate your warranty by using another brand. Sure it’s a bit more convenient with the AMS auto reading the spool but it’s not like the filament is magic. Stick with reputable brands such as Overture, Polymaker, or even Sunlu (which many have said makes Bambu’s filament). Just be smart with abrasive filaments and you’ll be good to go.
I just want filament profiles ON the machine like my 2 X1Cs and A1s have. ![]()
I did start out with 3rd party filament such as Sunlu, but I didn’t like the fact I wasn’t receiving the full potential of both my AMS 2s with the RFID systems, So I choose to just stick with Bambu Labs rather than feel I spent money for nothing.
So why do I have to wait 10 days?
Well?
I agree with Malcolm on this one. I bought a P2S and then bought another one because I liked it so much. I’m glad that BBL improvements happen quickly because life is short. Right now I don’t need the advantages that the X2D offers, but, if I decide that I do, I’ll probably sell one P2S and get one. I might feel differently if I had bought a hundred P2S printers the day before the X2D dropped, but even then, BBL doesn’t owe me a hundred X2Ds to replace the P2Ss. By now, it should be clear to everyone that the technology you bought today will be replaced by a better one tomorrow and at a lower price.
I think your P2S will do a better job currently though. I’m pretty sure it all has to do with part cooling / calibration, but I have a few things that will always fail with the X2D but H2 machines are perfect with the same model / filament. I have 4 X2Ds and it fails same spots across the board (main nozzle printing only). Also manually calibrated all the filament as it’s only generic at this point.
It seems to do with small details and large overhangs. This is all with high temp filament as well. So no cooling mode. I’m thinking the part cooling fan or the z-axis is underperforming.
Been working on both just with these prints just trying to get them to pass the same as the H2 machines do without any luck. I’ve heard horror stories about cooling mode with the X2D but have never used it on mine.
But as far as what I would consider a more traditional / functional ABS / reinforced print, X2D seems to put out the same quality and tolerances of the H2 stuff.
So probably a good thing you don’t have an X2D yet. Within time, I’m assuming it will slowly get updated and much better.
There’s the old story of Osborne Computers, who had a very successful product, and they announced that a newer, better machine was coming soon. That led to sales of the current product dropping to nothing as customers decided to wait for the new one.
That in and of itself would not have been a problem, but the replacement machine was delayed. Without that income they ran out of money and that was it.
The lesson is obvious, and now companies will not announce a new product until it’s in the warehouse, ready to ship to customers.
Someone here made a comparison to Apple. Apple’s release cycles are well known, and the supply of many of their previous models dries up in the weeks before the new release date. Customers are used to those cycles so they know to wait.
Bambu, like many smaller companies, does not have a known product release cycle, so they follow the dictum of not making any public announcements about coming products until they are ready to ship.
Thanks for the explanation and Fair play on dodging the Osborne effect. Still, for suckers like me who bought right before the X2D drop, a smooth upgrade path would turn that sour aftertaste into brand loyalty.
I was one of the first buyers of the H2D (first batch) and when the H2C was released 6 months later I was pissed first, then spent an additional €800 to upgrade my €2500€ printer (H2C is now only €2300!).
It would have saved me more than €1000 had I waited. I was fairly sure that bambu will offer some gift card to early adopters of the H2D but it never was considered.
It’s water under the bridge now but it left a bitter taste initially. I wanted that H2D marketed as flagship model when it released only to discover a new flagship 6 months later
. Do I regret it, no, I wanted it, I got it, I wanted the upgrade, I bought it. I was really pleased with my H2D during those 6 months and very pleased with my H2C now. Do I blame bambu, no. I would never blame any company that offers better products, my lathe was the same, my drill was the same, my iphone is the same as is my car and many more products I own ![]()
That sort of thing worked for prusa, becuase they were kit based machines for enthusiasts, not a fully manufactured machine for “the common man”
And yet, enthusiasts are buying it and making forum topics requesting upgrade kits… How can that be?!
Because they feel slighted that there exist something better/different and want the result, with no thought about the process of actually upgrading the entire thing.
The “we deserve this for free” part gives away a lot about mentality.
I suppose it is because they feel entitled at the same time as they don’t understand how industrial products are developed. If you want kit don’t buy Bambu or Apple.
I think the underlying problem is not doing research beforehand and complaining just for the sake of it.
I don’t mean to step on CodeCarter’s toes, but to me, it sounds like he bought the P1S without doing his research first, even though it’s still an excellent device, and then found out that something new and shiny was on the market.
The good news is that the P1S is such a great device that it’s hard to go wrong with it. However, arguing with someone who won’t read the comments is pointless. Besides, an upgrade path from the P1S to the X2D would be absurd anyway. Even the thread starter isn’t asking for that.
All I can say to CodeCarter is: enjoy your awesome printer and don’t hase after every new shiny gadget that comes along. Unlike the P1S, the X2D requires a lot more effort, attention span and reading to get to grips with, so the P1S is probably the perfect printer for beginners. ![]()
Even when researching, you can fumble it a bit. When I got my video camera, I did a bunch of research, thought I knew exactly what I wanted, there was a HHHUUUUUUGGGGGGEEEEEE sale. After I got the camera, the sale ended, the dust settled, I realized my mistake. Arrrgggh, haha. But seriously, it was still my own issue/fault. I ended up eating about a 1k loss so I could move over to the camera I actually have and use now, and once I had it I realized, yeah, this was totally what I wanted and I made a mistake.
I feel like the X2D leans into a certain role a bit, but most people just get glossy eyed over it being the next model up, without realizing that role it wants to play, and the limitations within.
I think I’d break it down like this.
A1/2 - Consumer
P2S - Budget Prosumer
X2D - Engineering Focused Prosumer
H2 - Flagship Prosumer
I mean they can make threads and ask for whatever they want, doesn’t mean they will get it
A slightly structured reply, because apparently that is allowed now
Telling someone to “GTFO” because they gave constructive feedback is not exactly the high point of community discussion.
Yes, the P2S existed.
No, that does not automatically make the original post unreasonable.
The person did not say Bambu Lab committed a crime, stole their lunch money, or personally ruined 3D printing. They said they bought into the ecosystem, then saw a newer and more attractive model appear shortly after, and that it left a sour taste.
That is a perfectly normal customer reaction.
The actual point
The constructive part of the post was not:
“Bambu owes me everything.”
It was closer to:
“An upgrade path would improve customer loyalty.”
That is not an insane suggestion.
Companies do trade-ins, upgrade programs, loyalty discounts, accessory bundles, vouchers and goodwill offers all the time. Whether Bambu wants to do that is their decision, but pretending the suggestion itself is outrageous is a bit dramatic.
P1S vs P2S vs X2D
Buying a P1S when the P2S exists may weaken the argument a little.
It does not erase the point entirely.
The X2D is not just “another P2S”. It has a different feature set and a different appeal, especially for people looking at support material, dual-tool workflows or a more future-facing machine.
So yes, the buyer could have researched more.
Also yes, Bambu could benefit from clearer upgrade paths and better stock availability.
Both things can be true at the same time. Shocking, I know.
About the filament stock issue
The filament stock complaint is also completely fair.
A printer sitting idle because official filament is constantly out of stock is exactly the kind of thing that makes a new user question whether they bought into the right ecosystem.
That is useful feedback, not heresy.
TL;DR
“GTFO” is not an argument.
The P2S existing does not magically invalidate every customer frustration.
The original post was constructive, polite and made a reasonable loyalty/upgrade-path suggestion.
Disagreeing is fine.
Doing it with the social grace of a clogged nozzle is optional.